A Modest Blog on Punching and Kicking in Wrestling
by Aaron Glazer on October 18, 2009

The esteemed Charlie Reneke and I have been going back and forth for awhile about the role of punching and kicking in a wrestling match. I maintain that while other moves may add variety, punching and kicking are absolutely fine and can make up the majority of a great match, while Charlie feels that this isn’t even wrestling. This disagreement over punching and kicking has continued in several posts with many readers and authors coming out on both sides until, in the comments of the great John Cena Must Die article by Daniel Douglas, my good friend and great columnist Vinny Truncelito added the following:

“Let’s not confuse a well-developed moveset with just randomly pulling out maneuvers whenever a wrestler wants. Like David says, within kayfabe, if a guy only learned to punch and kick when he was in training, he isn’t as “educated” from a wrestling standpoint as somebody with a knowledge of submission holds, throws, counters, aerial attacks, et cetera.

Now, while I’d never argue that a guy with 6 college degrees is smarter than I am, I can see where more education might equate to “better able to handle certain challenges”. And the challenges a pro wrestler faces night after night (in kayfabe) include big, mean men trying to pin them to the mat, hurt them to the point they need to quit, or knock them out. So the more tools a wrestler has in his bag of tricks to deal with those attacks, the “better” he is. Surely a man of your intelligence can appreciate my position on this.”
With the following article, I intend to prove that in no way do the moves make the match or do great moves make someone a better wrestler, utilizing examples including Bryan Danielson, Ted Dibiase, Terry Funk and Jerry Lawler. Before we begin, please take a look at this article on What makes a great match. Hopefully, you took the time to work through that, but if not, you can understand the one thing above all else that makes a fan get into and care about a wrestling match is the increase of the drama of the match. Okay, now let’s begin with the man many term the best wrestler competing today, Bryan Danielson.

Bryan Danielson often expresses amazement that he’s as over as he is, or that anyone cares about his matches or himself as a performer. His argument is two-fold. First, he’s just one of many great technical wrestlers that fans could have latched on to in the early days of ROH. His spot could just as easily belong to a Chad Collyer or Matt Stryker (not the WWE color commentator), but for no real reason, fans found themselves more attached to Danielson. The second reason in Danielson’s argument that his success is a fluke is that he’s “a boring, boring wrestler.” The main thrust of this part of the argument is that Danielson’s technical wrestling is generally not very complex. Most of his moves, notably the moves that get such great response, are those taught within the beginning parts of wrestling school. Now, it should surprise no one that Danielson is wrong, otherwise no one would care about his work or skill, so what we’re left to examine is why.

What separates Bryan Danielson and the Chad Collyers of the world (I like Collyer, so this isn’t a personal attack), is that Danielson has extraordinary timing and is a master of the little maneuvers to make the crowd care about his matches. He often says that when he’s wrestling, he’s trying to put all of his focus on whatever move he’s executing (or selling) to make it believable. This concentration, even on his simple maneuvers that he learned in his first week wrestling, draw the crowd into his matches and are part of what makes him such a special professional wrestler. What does this have to do with punching and kicking? Very little yet. For now, though, since we can all agree that Bryan Danielson is a great professional wrestler, and he states that what he uses in the ring are very simple maneuvers, then complexity of moves and moveset are not prerequisite for being a great wrestler. A simple headlock, when properly worked, can get a great response and build heat and drama for a match.

Next, let’s cover Ted Dibiase (The Million Dollar Man, not his son). It has been said (I believe by Jim Cornette) that Ted Dibiase is a notoriously bad wrestler. As far as hold for hold goes, he’s just poor. He knows how to work a body part, but even then, it’s mostly using punches and knees on a specific body part, then locking in a simple submission. These are the absolute basics of wrestling. Dibiase is and was (to the point where only some last minute politics stopped him from getting the NWA Title before Flair’s second, defining reign) considered one of the greatest workers in wrestling. What he does, with his punches, his selling, his facial expressions, and his timing, is create a believable atmosphere, increasing drama to the point where fans are in an absolute frenzy. That is what makes him a great worker, even if his most complicated regularly used maneuvers were a vertical suplex and the figure-four, his psychology was so amazing that he had some of the best matches ever with Jim Duggan, Ric Flair, Dick Murdoch, and Magnum TA before he ever hit the national spotlight.

So what have we learned between Dibiase and Danielson? Keeping things simple, but focused will make you a great professional wrestler and give you the potential to be in great matches. So, what can Terry Funk add to this?

Terry Funk is, in many ways, the absolute opposite of Dibiase. Funk is one of the best wrestlers ever. For proof, check out his All Japan work in the late 70s and early 80s (I can provide links if needed). He’s a fantastic hold for hold wrestler who could pull off complex holds and counter-holds. Funk was, however, also, an amazing character. The dangerous coward is a Terry Funk trademark and it drew money all around the world for decades. This is important because before his first retirement, Terry was purely a technical wrestler, and, when he returned (for the famous Ric Flair matches in 89 and beyond into ECW) he became a punch, kick, then highspot brawler. Much like Danielson, Funk is capable of more complex stuff, but the character, the concentration; the meaning and the selling, made him a success, great wrestler, and draw regardless of what moves and styles he preferred to utilize at the time. Funk adds that if you have a believable character that comes across in the ring, anything that makes sense, whether simple brawling or complex technical wrestler can yield classics.

This brings us to Jerry Lawler. Jerry had an awesome, King of Memphis character established. His wrestling was very simple, using mostly punches and kicks with the occasional big move thrown in towards a match’s climax. Jerry might have been capable of more, but rarely showed it. What made Lawler great was his timing and believability. With one punch he would get a reaction all the Canadian Destroyers in the world couldn’t deliver. How successful was he with his style? His territory was the one in the country where Vince McMahon’s juggernaut, the WWF, couldn’t take over until Lawler aged enough and went to the WWF himself. His Memphis classics with Bill Dundee, Ric Flair, Terry Funk, Bam Bam Bigelow and so many others, which admittedly most haven’t seen, are the stuff of absolute wrestling legend, on par with the best of Ric Flair’s matches, which are far more complex. Would Jerry Lawler have been a better wrestler if he threw in chain wrestling or more super-plexes? You might think so, but argue how- he was drawing top gates every week with great ratings and classic matches. These matches are some of the best ever in wrestling, so how would a super-plex improve that? By pulling down his straps or setting up a punch Lawler was getting the same response and putting on the same quality as matches guys like Dynamite Kid can no longer walk from.

Current wrestlers often have trouble with their larger movesets. A Kurt Angle will do so many moves of so many types, that they stop making sense within the context of the match and what he’s trying to accomplish (if AJ Styles is a better flier and we’re establishing that Angle is staying in close, because when he gives AJ space, his speed gives him trouble, Angle shouldn’t then successful hit a plancha). Other wrestlers are excellent at exhibition style matches and can build drama in the context of a technical match, but are unable to pull off the same in a brawl- like Tyler Black showed in his failed feud with Jimmy Jacobs because he can’t adjust the structure (not the moves) and meaning behind his moves to make the hatred of a brawl come through. Of course, a brawl doesn’t mean you have to just punch and kick, as Kevin Steen and El Generico showed against the Briscoes (Death before Dishonor V Night 1). Of course, that they were creative in their brawling doesn’t make it better than Jerry Lawler and Terry Funk’s legendary empty arena brawl, just different. The reason the moves don’t make one better than the other and they are both incredible matches, is because the moves simply don’t make the match- don’t show you’re a better, smarter, or “more educated” wrestler; they simply show differences in the characters delivering the moves. Even with simple punching, the differences in character are evident (watch Bret Hart punch, then watch a Funk punch, for example), so the moves just make this obvious. With enough skill, selling, expression, timing and other components of psychology, the moves in the match, in the end, have almost nothing to do with the quality of the match. A great match is great because of the drama built.

Moves can definitely help add variety to wrestler’s characters and matches throughout the card, but extra moves in no way make for a better wrestler or mean better matches will occur. Danielson and Dibiase show us you can have a technical match with only the very basics of wrestling, that literally every non-giant in the business can pull off. Dibiase shows us that even if you can’t do the complicated spots and chain wrestling, you can still be great. Terry Funk shows us that the style is essentially irrelevant if the character behind it is properly established, while Jerry Lawler shows us how just these basics can lead to amazing matches and huge success. Should every match necessarily work this way? No, variety doesn’t hurt, but because a match is less complicated doesn’t mean its bad or worse than a fancier match. If the match builds drama, shows the wrestlers competing and has psychology- that is to say what a wrestler does makes sense, then the moves just aren’t important, so long as they’re appropriate.


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  • Bones Barkley

    Aaron is quite correct in this. You can have amazing matches with a very limited moveset as long as you can get the audience emotionally involved. Counting the numbers of moves a wrestler can do is just a snarky argument for wrestlers that aren’t IWC friendly.

  • http://comicsnexus.com/author/gmguity/ Greg Manuel

    Once again, Glaze breaks it down like stomach enzymes. Emotional involvement is a VERY big and obviously very underestimated quality that I wonder if both fans and wrestlers in 2009 are truly aware of. Tell a story, sell what’s happening in the ring and the fans will come and they will stay.

  • Anthony Delebreau

    I agree with this to a point. Working the style Aaron mentioned is extremely hard to do, and there really aren’t any besides BD who can do it today. However, making every wrestler wrestle this style (ala WWE) is just dumb from a product standpoint in that you want to give a variety of stuff to the crowd.

  • Michael O’Mahony

    And all was right with the world again. Nice column, dude, made all the nicer by the fact that you were right all along.

  • http://myspace/hbk826 Aaron Glazer

    I’m not saying everyone should do this Anthony, merely that someone doing it doesn’t make them bad. The second to last paragraph addresses that.

    And thanks Greg, Michael and Bones.

  • Charlie Reneke

    This of course ignores the bigger problem: kids these days don’t know how to throw a punch in the first place, or put together a match like the examples you cited.

    Quite frankly to say “Well, Ted Jr. won’t be so bad because people in the past were able to do it” is silly. What flare has Ted Jr shown at all for the business? Bad on the stick, bad pacing, bad looking punches, bad looking kicks, bad looking stomps, bad selling, bad facial expressions, no chemistry with anyone he’s ever had a match with, ever (go back and watch his pre-debut matches. All horrible), no emotional attachment to the product at all…

    Quite frankly, Ted DiBiase Jr. is the worst wrestler on the entire WWE roster. And yes, that includes the Great Khali.

  • Charlie Reneke

    By the by, I’ve given matches that consisted 90% of punches and kicks five stars. For example, I gave the Russians vs. Rock’n'Roll Express ***** and called it match of the set of Allied Powers.

    So get off this “Charlie is prejudiced against punches and kicks. I’m not. I hate people that can’t wrestle. There’s a big difference. Ted DiBiase Jr can’t f’n wrestle.

  • http://pulsewrestling.com/author/vinnytruncellito/ Vinny Truncellito

    Alright, Ace. I completely understand where you went with this column, but I don’t feel that you satisfactorily dealt with my original point from DD’s Cena post. Perhaps it’s because I failed to communicate my thoughts; let me try again.

    I’m not saying that the dude who can pull off more maneuvers in a match is better. What I am saying is that the wrestler with knowledge of striking, grappling, high-flying and brawling is better prepared for all he’s likely to encounter between the ropes than the one-dimensional striker you discussed. Example:

    Take your “primarily punch-and-kick” wrestler (we’ll call him PKW). Now PKW is in the throes of a long, arduous match against an opponent with more technical skill than PKW possesses. It’s late in the contest, and they’re both quite worn down. The technical wrestler catches PKW in a devastating submission hold in the center of the ring, and PKW simply does not have the strength to drag his opponent to the ropes to break the hold. With nothing of consequence in his arsenal other than punching and kicking, what can PKW do to survive? My argument is that a “more educated” wrestler with a broader knowledge of grappling might be able to utilize some sort of counter-maneuver to escape the hold, and maybe even turn it into a pinning predicament against his opponent or reverse the hold into a submission of his own. If nothing else, the “more educated” wrestler can at least reach into his bag of tricks to try and pull out something, whereas PKW has been effectively neutralized.

    See what I’m getting at? I’m sure you can imagine other examples, like when PKW is severely undersized (against somebody like the Great Khali, perhaps) and he needs a quicker, more high-risk approach since getting close enough to punch isn’t an option, and even if he could, those strikes wouldn’t do much to wear down the giant or get him off his feet.

    Make sense?

  • Bones Barkley

    Vinny – you just described the Austin/Hart I Quit match. You should just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Reneke is no longer a waste of human skin

    So get off this “Charlie is prejudiced against punches and kicks.” I’m not. I hate people that can’t wrestle. There’s a big difference. Ted DiBiase Jr can’t f’n wrestle.
    —————————————————-

    Good posting. Lets see if everyone can comprehend this now.

  • Michael O’Mahony

    You really kill any good points you make when you make statements like “Ted Dibiase Jr. is the worst wrestler on the entire WWE roster.” Anyone can see that plainly isn’t true. It isn’t even close to true. It just makes you look ridiculously biased and petulant. I think what you honestly mean to say is something more like, “the way Dibiase works just bugs the shit out of me and I find the guy excruciating,” which is more or less the same thing but without an opinion attached that immediately discredits your argument.

  • Aaron Glazer

    Charlie- give me a break. You’re trying to change the terms of the arguement when you realize you’ve got no valid points I haven’t already addressed. I could care less if Dibiase is a good puncher or not a this point, it was never the issue. Here is what is, though:

    “And Aaron, since punches and kicks are fine with you with no actual substance for a match,”

    “And to say a match can be nothing but punching and kicking is ludicrous”

    “If that shit is enough to get your mark-rocks on, have at it. Me? I would rather watch guys wrestle.”

    ““Like OMG!11 they fought in the seatz! thats so gangsta1!” Did they actually do anything cool while they were in the seats? Fuck no, they just punched, punched, and punched a little more.”

    “And they STILL rely too heavily on punching and kicking.”

    Way to backpedal when you realize you’ve lost the argument, Charlie.

    Now Vinnie- the extra moves would give more options, sure, but what you need to ask is how would those options service the story. Generally speaking, they can, but very few people are skilled enough to do that and many wrestlers (not bad wrestlers, just many) like Harley Race, Dynamite Kid, and Kurt Angle, feel they need to get all their moves out every match. Sure signature spots may pop the crowd, but they can also undermine the match and story being told in the ring. There’s a balance here, but to say that a match would be better the way you put forth, is to overlook what Bones said (about that being Austin vs. Hart, not you not knowing what you’re talking about)- as in the way you’re saying isn’t as good produced one of the best matches ever. In the end, the extra options aren’t bad, but you have to know what you’re doing with them, and, even when you do, that doesn’t neccessarily mean you’re using them better than someone who’s more limited, but just as clever in the usage of what they do.

  • http://myspace/hbk826 Aaron Glazer

    Charlie – Changing the actual arguement when you realize you can’t refute any of my points doesn’t work. The points you’re making here are in no way your initial points, and because I know you’ll try to claim otherwise-

    “And Aaron, since punches and kicks are fine with you with no actual substance for a match,”

    “And to say a match can be nothing but punching and kicking is ludicrous”

    “If that shit is enough to get your mark-rocks on, have at it. Me? I would rather watch guys wrestle.”

    ““Like OMG!11 they fought in the seatz! thats so gangsta1!” Did they actually do anything cool while they were in the seats? Fuck no, they just punched, punched, and punched a little more.”

    “And they STILL rely too heavily on punching and kicking.”

    Way to backpedal when you realize you’ve lost the argument, Charlie.

    And Vinny- No one is saying the extra options are bad, but that you must be very careful when you have that many more options. Many wrestlers, notably guys like Nigel McGuinness, Kurt Angle, Harley Race, and Dynamite Kid, try and get everything they have out in a match. That can be used effectively, if you’re smart enough with it (Harley) or it can take away from the story being told (Angle or Nigel at times). Having less options doesn’t mean the match will be worse, as Bones pointed out, the match you describe as needing the extra option is one of the best matches ever. Adding the extra options could have kept it at that level, or muddied the waters of a crystal clear story that was an all time great. There is no better or wose to more or less moves, it’s all in how they work towards the story and building the drama. You can have a great match either way and must merely know what you are doing. If you do the story can be accomplished with great technical skill or great brawling, as the Terry Funk example showed us. The two can be mixed, but in no way have to. I’m a bit of a mark for mat wrestling and usually prefer it to matches built around punching and kicking, but to pretend that it’s a requirement of being a better wrestler or having a great match instead of a personal preference is to not properly examine the evidence.

  • Okori

    I loved this article. And one of the things that I think make a great pro wrestler is execution. How many times have you seen a guy apply a hold and you can see he doesn’t mean to win the match with that hold? BD is great at making you think that he intends on winning that match with every hold, every strike.

  • http://pulsewrestling.com/author/vinnytruncellito/ Vinny Truncellito

    Bones,

    If you’re attempting to imply that Austin was merely a punch-and-kick wrestler, perhaps it is you who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Before the injuries that forced Stone Cold to alter his performances (and to invent the WWE Main Event Style) he was quite the accomplished wrestler. Glimpses of that still shone through even when he was reduced to mostly brawling.

    And by the way, if you’re talking about WM13, that was a submission match, not an “I Quit” match.

  • Bones Barkley

    Like I said Vinny you don’t know what you’re talking about. You like to think you do but you don’t. I wasn’t implying anything other than the fact that the match you described was Hart/Austin that Hart himself described as a “beautiful dogfight”, not a technical showcase and match is still a classic. Storytelling and drawing empathy from the audience is what masters most in the ring – not the number of moves a wrestler has in his moveset.

  • Aaron Glazer

    Calling a moratorium on any Bones Vinny back and forth from here on… thanks.

  • David

    Aaron, though I don’t share your point of view (or only half-share it), you’ve written a great column.

    I’d be curious to know what you thought of the Orton/DiBiase match on tonight’s Raw. There was a match that told a story, was intense in its pacing, and yet consisted of only a scarce few rudimentary maneuvers. Would you classify it as a great match?

  • Aaron Glazer

    The Orton vs. Dibiase match was more a segment than a match, but it was freaking amazing. The crowd actually CARED what happened. I thought the ending should have been something along the lines of Dibiase leaving, but this angle is awesome. Dibiase should let the fans down once more against Orton in something higher stakes, then the third time, be given something personal to fight for… build and sell the one big punch (ask Lawler for advice) and when it’s delivered, Dibiase is a star. This was an old-school angle done right and felt like it’d be at home in Mid-South or Memphis.

    Also for all the Dibiase sucks talk, his match with Bourne wasn’t bad and his face selling against Orton was great.

  • scott m

    Aaron hits on it. The most important talent any wrestler can have is an ability to make the audience care about what happens in the ring.

    Ring psychology.

    And I’d gather that 80% of the WWE roster have no clue about it. That’s why they have “road agents” who help setup the matches for them.

    But nothing compares to two men in the ring who understand the fundamentals of how to put on a show and then are just allowed to let it happen.

    Nearly all the wrestlers we still talk about today had at least their bearings in the realm of ring psychology. And nearly all the wrestlers we want to see go away forever (for the wrong reasons, like Khali), simply have no clue.

  • Aaron Glazer

    I feel like Khali might be used well if mostly kept off television, but used as a special attraction like if a heel begins cheating too often, he and a partner face the guy he jumped and Khali…. aka the Andre the Giant in the territories role.

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