Rasslin’ Roundtable – WWE Fatal 4 Way 2010
by Raffi Shamir on June 20, 2010

WWE pulled a TNA this month and only finalized the card two days before the PPV. And even now it’s hard to believe that the card is actually final since there are only five matches on it. And they’re all title matches. No, this is not Night of Champions. WWE is leaving time on the show for the NXT guys to make an appearance and continue the angle they started with Bret Hart on Monday, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see another match added on the show. As for the already announced matches, here are the Pulse team predictions for WWE Fatal 4 Way.

WWE championship:
John Cena (C) vs. Sheamus vs. Edge vs. Randy Orton

Steven Gepp: Man, I hate these multiple choice questions. And I guess it all comes down to what the future plans are. I would have gone with Orton, but with his injury, I’m guessing no. So I’m gonna go with a heel victory here.
Winner: (and new champ) Sheamus

Raffi Shamir: First I will point out that this is another PPV event where John Morrison is not on the card. You’re probably tired of this but I will not stop being to John Morrison what Fox News is to Sarah Palin (Only less annoying, deceiving and fascist). As for this match, I hate the fact that WWE is going for “first pin” rules rather than elimination. With the uncertainty regarding Orton’s physical condition and Edge’s less that sizzling heat right now, I’d imagine WWE would use this opportunity to transition the title to Sheamus and try to once again reestablish him as a main eventer.
Winner: Sheamus

Matthew Michaels: I think you have to keep the belt on Cena here, until the NXT angle settles itself. Hopefully Wade’s title shot gets reinstated and we see him on a minor PPV against the champ.
Winner: Cena

Andrew Wheeler: Hey, another Roundtable, awesome. Last week I got ballsy and decided to dip my toe into the TNA Roundtable and wound up getting raped, which is impressive since my asshole is nowhere near my foot. Guess that’s the brilliance of TNA. Anyway, I have learnt my lesson and will now and forever avoid any TNA predictions (well, forever until I get asked politely to contribute again and my inability to say no is legendary, which explains how I got crabs). What was I talking about? Oh yeah, the card. This magical, amazing PPV card for a show that I, for the life of me, cannot spell. Is it Fatal Fourway? Is it Fatal Four-Way? Is it F4tal Way? Come on Creative, if you’re going to give me an incomprehensible title for a ridiculous gimmick show, at least have the decency to let me know how to write it. Keep it up and I’ll be forced to lynch you with a cravat.
Don’t worry, I’m kidding. PulseWrestling would fire me if I used a necktie to assault anyone, as it might remind people of our old association with 411Wrestling and the way they butchered talent.
So, here’s our main event featuring the four biggest stars on RAW. Wow, seriously? Without getting all head-up-my-ass, I’ll just say that Cena’s going to win and move on. Of course, since I can’t resist, I’m going to have to discuss things just a little.
First off, this show is the definition of a filler PPV. Unlike last month’s DUI PPV, where the WWE was desperate to write off Batista and make a buck in the process, this month’s show is all about putting the company in a holding pattern. John Cena and Sheamus have issues because Sheamus kicked Cena at the end of the last PPV. Sheamus has issues with Cena because he has two things the Irishman desperately wants; the title and melanin. Meanwhile, Edge and what’s left of Randy Orton are engaging in a feud that seems destined to be blown off sooner rather than later because one good sneeze and Randy’s going to be the one-armed answer to Zach Gowan.
In short, this match is designed to distract fans from the fact that no one knows what the fuck to do. Edge and Randy still have one or two matches left in their “war”, but with Randy in the condition that he’s in, he’ll be lucky if he can stand on the apron and not suffer another separated shoulder. Meanwhile, there’s money in a Sheamus/Cena feud, because chances are Sheamus is going to take the belt off of John just in time for Hunter to return and kill the Celtic dead with a sledgehammer (but in a totally TV-PG way).
By all estimations, Edge is the big loser here. Once this match is over, he’ll be without the title and without a true opponent. The only other “star” at his level is Chris Jericho, who, in addition to being a heel, is wrapped up in a losing streak gimmick that, to quote Krust, is always death.
Evan Bourne seems to have evolved out of nowhere as a potential main event-ish guy, but in order for that to happen, he would have to face Edge at the next PPV and…gasp…win. Can the WWE afford to take that kind of a risk with Edge when he’s probably the most established heel not hosting a conveyer-belt themed show? And what of the NXT Rookies who will most certainly interfere in some way?
My guess is that the match will start and after about three minutes, the NXT Rookies will run out and attack everyone. Once the smoke has cleared, lo and behold, Randy Orton has been injured. Oh no, do we end in a disqualification and send the fans home unhappy? Perish the thought. Since the name of the PPV is Fatal Fourway, they’ll need to replace him, so they’ll wind up inserting Wade Barrett into the match. If the WWE is stupid (or more likely nervous), they’ll put the title on Barrett, who has no one to actually feud with (since Cena and Sheamus are locked in and Edge is, ya know, a heel).
Next month is the MITB PPV, which I guess means everyone is competing for a shot at the title. Since you need six men to be in the match, and since you need the champion to sit it out, it would make sense to put the gold on Wade Barrett. Hell, since no one knows the rules for the PPV, it could wind up being FOR the title itself.
With the loss of Daniel Bryan and the horrible vehicular homicide angle to close RAW, the NXT invasion has gone from white hot storyline to lukewarm retread in about ten seconds. In the WWE’s mind, if a guy like Wade Barrett goes from “fired” to champion, that’s intrigue. In reality, it’s an overpush of a guy who might forever be tainted by the rocketship to the top. Regardless, at the next show, they need six men to fill slots, so the winner here is inconsequential.
At the next PPV, it’ll be John Cena (in his first MITB) versus Edge (the pioneer of the gimmick essentially) versus Sheamus versus Chris Jericho versus Evan Bourne (a great way to get him into the main event scene without shoving him down our throats) versus Wade Barrett (potentially, or they could insert someone new like John Morrison or The Miz).
Unless Wade Barrett cashes in his title shot here, it’ll be…
Winner: John Cena

Kyle Sparks: Orton’s hurt. He’s likely out. Edge has been lukewarm since he came back. Sheamus is a decent possibility, and if Triple H is really ready to come back in July, I could see Sheamus being a transitional champion between now and SummerSlam. So, would WWE advertise a gimmick PPV where both main events feature the champions having “a 25% chance of retaining” (never mind the mathematical issues with that) and then have both champions retain? Probably, but I’d like to hope not.
Winner: Sheamus (NEW WWE Champion)

Ben Morse: The match format here is actually ideal, because all four guys have decent chemistry with one another, but this allows things to seem a bit fresher with dance partners switching every few minutes and covers any injury issues Orton may still be having. I foresee a title switch here, and not to Sheamus because I don’t think his issue with HHH needs the belt involved and not to Orton because he’s too hot as an emerging babyface not to get a one-on-one win at some point; thus by process of elimination I’d say Edge gets the nod and gets chased through the summer by Cena, maybe Bourne and eventually HHH. Will the NXT guys be involved in the finish? Maybe as a way to transition Cena from title contention to a feud with them, but I’m not sure.
Winner: Edge

World Heavyweight championship:
Jack Swagger (C) vs. Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk vs. Big Show

Steven Gepp: Conceivably any of these guys could win it. All have something going for them. But this is really hard. I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say, with the help of SES (especially a masked man), we have a new champ.
Winner: (and new champ) CM Punk

Raffi Shamir: It would be so wrong to take the title away from Swagger. None of the other people in the match need the championship and a loss now would kill any momentum that Swagger might have gained as a champion (minimal as it is). I hate it when WWE gives new guys a title, doesn’t properly push them and then takes the titles away because they were not good champions. It was the same thing with Punk’s first title reign, and even with Edge and Randy Orton’s first reigns, and I’d hate for Swagger to repeat that.
Winner: Jack Swagger

Matthew Michaels: I really want to see Swagger keep it but they seem to have no confidence in him for whatever reason. Want to put him over big time as a heel? Have him actually be the one who took out Taker. Rumors I’m reading are to the contrary however, so I’ll go with an upset here: Rey Mysterio. Why not?
Winner: Rey

Andrew Wheeler: This is a much more muddled mess than the previous match because of the loss of The Undertaker and the underwhelming force that is Big Show. Show has shown us time and time again that he just isn’t a compelling face; he’s too big to be threatening, he’s too goofy to be taken seriously, and when he is serious he is downright boring. The strength of this match lies in the fact that people hate Kurt Swangle so much that they want to see him get knocked the fuck out. That, folks, is why Swangle is golden right now. He is the kind of cowardly heel that the WWE can make a fortune on. He has shown that he is more than capable on the mic and is watchable in the ring, and best of all almost all of his feuds will be fresh.
Rey Mysterio’s the add-on here because he broke Taker’s face, though I doubt he’s too broken up about it. Yes, this was supposed to be his time off, but now that he has a light at the end of the tunnel, he might want all the main event payoffs that he can get. Is he winning the belt here despite not at all being part of the match initially and on the WWE’s shit list? Nope.
Punk could actually win the title here, since he’s a hot heel and has shown he can succeed without an opponent. Unfortunately, that would kill the Swangle run, which, up until now, has been effective. My guess is he’ll keep it here and we’ll see the rest of the merry band of weird guys in the MITB Match next month.
Winner: Kurt Swangle

Kyle Sparks: This one I don’t really get. The original plan, according to “sources,” was that Swagger would hold the title into SummerSlam where The Undertaker would once again help get a younger champion over take the World Title and destroy any momentum built. Now with situations possibly keeping Taker out longer than that and no other real face challenger on the horizon outside of Mysterio, one wonders if they’ll just go for the safe choice and your established top heel in Punk. As an unashamed Punk mark, I hope so, but somehow I doubt it.
Winner: Jack Swagger (STILL World Heavyweight Champion)

Ben Morse: The lesser of the two main events in my eyes simply because I don’t think Big Show is built for matches like these—you need to be ostensibly knocked out for portions of these multi-man matches and it takes a lot to get babyface Show out of the mix—but I’m intrigued to see Swagger go at it with the two smaller dudes who we already know match up well against each other. I’d bet on Swagger retaining here and feuding with Kane—who will likely show up somehow—until Undertaker returns.
Winner: Jack Swagger

Divas championship:
Eve Torres (C) vs. Maryse vs. Gail Kim vs. Alicia Fox

Steven Gepp: The best women’s wrestling at the moment is in my local fed RCW. Seriously. Those girls hit clean, crisp moves, know how to throw a punch and look hot to boot. These inflatables are not wrestlers, and TNA’s knock-out division has been so diluted with wrestlers leaving and TBP (who are not copied by WWE, no way, no sirree, billybob) looking like eye candy that the once awesome division is now an afterthought… Sorry, where was I? My bad. Ah-hem. When I want women wrestling, I’ll watch RCW and the women from interstate. When I want vacuous tarts, there’s the WWE. And so, with that in mind…
Winner: (and still champ and who cares?) Eve Torres

Raffi Shamir: Well, at least Eve won last month so I now know what she looks like. It still doesn’t mean I care about her or WWE’s women/Divas championships. Let’s go with Maryse, just because.
Winner: Maryse

Matthew Michaels: I really like the belt on Eve, but you know what I really wanna see? Gail as champ, and the Amazing Kong showing up the next week on WWE to take her OUT.
Winner: Maryse

Andrew Wheeler: Could I care less? I mean, I guess I could. The feud here is between Eve Torres and Maryse, with Gail Kim and Alicia Fox just rounding out the batch for the hell of it. If the WWE wanted to, they could have Gail Kim cost Eve the title to show Cole’s point that no one is a friend in this match, but I think that the WWE still believes in an Eve/Maryse feud. Besides, turning Gail heel would mean that all of the capable wrestlers on RAW are now villains. While it would be interesting to see Kim win, I think that they will keep this full steam ahead with Eve holding the title.
Winner: Eve Torres

Ben Morse: This will likely go five minutes and not stand out. I’ll predict Eve retains and hope Gail turns on her post-match for something different.
Winner: Eve Torres

Kyle Sparks: Look for Maryse to pin Eve here to take the title back and move into a “feud” with Gail Kim. Why? Why not. She’s fairly over as a heel, and Gail is overdue for a title feud, which works better with Maryse than Eve.
Winner: Maryse (NEW Divas Champion)

United States championship:
The Miz (C) vs. R-Truth

Steven Gepp: The booking of this belt has been weird to say the least. Bret Hart winning it, then vacating it, then the Miz getting it right back. But Truth certainly has the crowd behind him and his song – “fuzzawuzzarazza hey yo whazzup” – is particularly catchy, so…
Winner: (and new champ) R-Truth

Raffi Shamir: The Miz is golden again and somehow, the world seems a little more right after last Monday night. In my dream The Miz’s next US title reign will resemble Orton’s IC title reign from 2003-2004 (The greatest IC title reign of the last decade) and when it’s over, he will be ready to move to the main event. Sadly, I don’t see WWE pulling it off, but he will retain here.
Winner: The Miz

Matthew Michaels: No reason to take the belt off Miz so quickly after giving it to him, right?
Winner: The Miz

Andrew Wheeler: Miz retains. I think that’s all the analysis this needs. He lost the belt to Truth on RAW and now he’s gotten it back. To be fair, Miz losing the title here would actually help him, since he would be free to be in the MITB match. On the other hand, the WWE could always do another Miz/Morrison storyline so maybe that’s where this is heading. I, for one, miss Jericho and Miz together as a team. I thought that had some heat.
Winner: The Miz

Kyle Sparks: There’s absolutely no point to put the title back on R-Truth here, and he’s fairly over without it. Miz as US Champion just works, and with Bourne, Morrison, Kozlov (assuming he stays face), Mizzark and (yes) Truth as potentially viable challengers, there’s plenty for him to do yet, especially now that he’s not being a Tag Whore anymore.
Winner: The Miz (STILL US Champion)

Ben Morse: Both guys can go, but I’ve really got no interest in seeing them wrestle each other again. I would have preferred they make the Divas title match a one-on-one and toss John Morrison and Zack Ryder back in for a rematch here. Regardless, Miz retains and then feud with Morrison over the title; hopefully they can give that issue the build and attention it deserves this time around.
Winner: The Miz

Intercontinental Championship:
Kofi Kingston (C) vs. Drew McIntyre

Steven Gepp: I still think if they let McIntyre off his leash, he’ll be a great wrestler, as clips from Europe have shown him to be. But they won’t, so Kofi will bump around like a rag doll until…
Winner: (and new champ) Drew McIntyre

Raffi Shamir: For the first time ever, Drew McIntyre showed on the last Smackdown why WWE is so high on him. His delivery on the mic and during the beatdown was good, but I still need to see a continued, long lasting good performance from him. Kofi Kingston hasn’t shown real fire in him since the Orton feud last year and I expect him to step up here, even if he does end up losing the title.
Winner: Drew McIntyre

Matthew Michaels: Drew is just not over. Unless he can beat Kofi in such an EVIL way the fans hate him over it, I say keep the belt on the popular Ghananian.
Winner: Kofi

Andrew Wheeler: Well, Drew keeps losing because of Matt Hardy. Kofi just got the title. Matt Hardy keeps getting suspended because of Drew. Matt Hardy keeps interfering to cost Drew matches. Kofi needs the title to have something to do. Hmm…I wonder what will happen.
Winner: Kofi Kingston

Kyle Sparks: They seem to be really pushing Matt Hardy and Drew McIntyre as the big midcard feud, and involving the Intercontinental Title in that is just wholly unnecessary. Kofi can feud with Cody, Ziggler, Shad, Kane (assuming he does turn and is the one who attacked Taker), possibly Gallows, etc, and it will do far more for him than tying up the IC Title with the McIntyre and Hardy feud that has enough heat to not need it.
Winner: Kofi Kingston (STILL Intercontinental Champion)

Ben Morse: Again, two guys who have ok matches, but enough already. Kofi retains so Drew can continue his deal with Matt Hardy. Smackdown has some pretty decent midcard heels in Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes, so hopefully one of them gets Kofi next.
Winner: Kofi Kingston

And now that you know our picks, come back to Pulse Wrestling on Sunday night for our full, live coverage of WWE Fatal 4 Way.



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  • Anthony J. Zinzi

    I have to start making Father’s Day dinner, but here are my Q&D picks:

    Sheamus
    Swagger
    Maryse
    The Miz
    Kofi

  • The Shaman Of Hedon

    To Andrew Wheeler; As a rape survivor may I politely, (Which I promise you is a huge effort on this topic) point out to you that it is EXTREMELY NOT OKAY to use rape in a joking context. You guessed badly at a roundtable. You most certainly DID NOT get raped. I expect a certain amount of crassness and mild sexism from wrestling fans but you seriously crossed a line. Ask the women on IP’s staff, I’d bet even Chantal would agree with me that rape is not funny and should not be used in the context you used it in. By doing so you belittle every woman like me who has actually survived rape in one piece.

    Don’t do it again please.

  • RedRonin

    ….as I am a survivor of having crabs.

    Shouldn’t joke about that, either.

    If fact, you should stay politically correct at every opportunity.

  • http://google kaleel

    i say that cena will win kofi will win eve will win r-truth will win and big show will win

  • The Shaman Of Hedon

    Having crabs doesn’t come close to being raped. And asking Wheeler to not use Rape as a metaphor/joke punchline because he got owned in a roundtable isn’t Political Correctness, it’d bloody COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY.

  • The Shaman Of Hedon

    Having crabs doesn’t come close to being raped. And asking Wheeler to not use Rape as a metaphor/joke punchline because he got owned in a roundtable isn’t Political Correctness, it’s bloody COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY.

  • Jmwt3443

    Sheamus or Edge
    Swagger
    Dont care
    Miz
    Kofi

  • Damnufine

    I truly think if they have Drew absolutely kill Kofi it’ll finally get him over. Kofi is becoming beloved much like Jimmy Snuka was. Taker killed Snuka and Taker has been over ever since. Let Drew do the same.

  • Joe Sumguy

    Great Roundtable! Personally I think it’ll be Cena, Swagger, Maryse, Drew and Miz. And as for the criticism of Wheeler’s joke, you have got to be kidding me. I understand sensitivity issues but in a ‘sport’ where women have been abused, abducted, put on the line as a commodity and overall degraded, to blame someone for simply using the word rape is absurd. I read tons of wrestling and movie sites and joking that something ‘raped’ my eyeballs or senses isn’t overly offensive. This is a wresing site, not a PC news site. I am a cancer survivor and I don’t gwt insulted when people call people or events cancer. Lastly, I thought his whole piece was hilarious, and that’s how I judge a writer.

  • King Haku

    I pick Wade Barret to cash in on Orton’s spot and take it in the Raw match
    I like Punk for Smackdown, hottest act right now
    Nothing to be gained in taking Eve’s title off her; she keeps it
    The Miz holds on; he needs SOME gold
    Kofi retains, too; McIntyre is grating as hell

  • Owangotang

    Most everyone has survived something terrible. I have. Being offended, however, is a choice. Why continue to make yourself powerless by allowing someone else to control your emotions? I don’t get it.

    We’re all most likely going to live through an awful PPV tonight. Let’s all choose to not be offended at it and instead move on with our lives as much as possible.

    That said, picks:

    Cena
    Swagger
    don’t care about divas
    Miz
    Mcintyre

  • Joel La Puma

    I gotta agree about this, Wheeler: anyone who uses rape in such a casual context does end up looking like kind of a tool. At the very least it makes someone look like one of the mouthbreathing, antisocial misery scavengers you meet on XBox Live, and the Pulse is better than that, you know?

    When’s the last time you read a genuinely professional site or publication use rape as a joke? It’s not just about offending people who have been through hell (although that’s obviously a huge part of it), it’s about keeping your writing elevated to a respectable, professional level. Even if this is a roundtable, it’s still published on the site. You’re above it, is the point.

  • ???

    Rape is a horrible experience I am sure. I sympathize with anyone who might be a victim or is close to a victim. Its something no one should ever experience.
    That being said….you are reading comments on the internet. Those who post stories/items here and on any site (and our society in general) push the envelope using subjects that some people feel are objectionable. He was not promoting rape or minimizing the impact. His statment was an attempted comical description of his perfomance in the last Roundtable. The term ‘Raped'(along with other subjects like ‘abortion’ in he context of complete failure) is constantly used describing a thorough ass-beating of a sports franchise or in situations where a compromise doesnt work in a person’s favor.

  • Geoff

    I really hate John Cena, but I know he’ll keep it – I’m praying Edge wins

    I realy hate Rey Mysterio, so I’m praying he doesn’t win

    I’d really like to see Gail Kim win the title – she’s gotten crapped on since she came back (just like every person WWE brings back that deserves a title)

    And let’s say Drew McIntyre – why not

    I want Miz to keep it – I hope they wouldn’t take it away from him that quick

  • CM Junk

    I didn’t get offended by Andrew Wheeler’s comments because I didn’t read them. This is a short pick ‘em piece, not a wikipedia entry. Whew.

  • Jeremy Spoke In…..

    Same here – I skipped right over Wheeler’s comments talk about TMI – wheeler – save these rants for your own column and just pick a winner already.

  • DC

    God forbid somebody’s actually ENTERTAINING and has an opinion and valid analysis… you rule Wheeler, keep up the good work.

  • http://thecoolkidztable.blogspot.com/ Ben Morse

    Wow, I tanked this one.

  • http://www.uctf.com Jamal

    Rape. LOL.

  • nxthater

    nxt.this is a very bad word.i love cena,but i tell edge will win.but,sheamus win!

  • http://wwe.com sekhar

    johncena is winer

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