Rasslin’ Roundtable – TNA No Surrender 2010
by Raffi Shamir on September 5, 2010

No Way Out used to feel like the most useless PPV on the WWE calendar. This month’s TNA No Surrender feels even more useless, because it only features the semi finals of the TNA title tournament, building to next month’s Bound for Glory. Still, some of the matches here should be good, so sit back and read the Pulse team picks.

Semi Final of the TNA title tournament:
Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy

Steven Gepp: Could be match of the night, if both guys bring their A-Game. Now, here’s the issue. If Angle loses he retires. Right? So where’s the interest here? He’s going to win and he’s going to keep on winning until he needs more surgery or whatever, then he’ll do a Ric Flair retirement and turn up three months later in Australia on some crappy show that draws barely enough to cover costs, filled with over-rated wrestlers high on themselves, and of whom at least one will shortly thereafter die because of (allegedly) taking too many not good substances. Mind you, if it means he then turns up in ROH after that, I won’t be complaining. And that’s because we don’t get ROH in Australia and I won’t have to fear for him dying every time I watch him wrestle and see him take another insane neck bump. What? Right, the match. A no doubt about it match.
Winner: Kurt Angle

Matthew Michaels: I think you have to let Kurt win here, as he’s better to put over who I’d LIKE to see win the world title, rather than Hardy.
Winner: Kurt

Kyle Sparks: One has to think that TNA would absolutely love to put the title on Jeff Hardy, but given his penchant for flaking–like a certain former champion–and his legal woes, it wouldn’t be a smart move. Therefore, do you eliminate him in the semi-finals or the finals? Personally, I have to think that you can make a bigger star out of someone by putting them over Kurt Angle in the finals, so I’ve got to pick MY Olympic Hero to go over here.
Winner: Kurt Angle

Raffi Shamir: Once again TNA screwed their title situation in a grand way. I b*tched enough about how they stripped RVD off the title, but now I think they made a huge mistake by putting Kurt Angle in the tournament. He overshadows the other three contestants and his promise to retire unless he wins the title kinda paints TNA into a corner. After they let RVD be their number 1 guy and he flaked on them, I doubt TNA will repeat this move with the equally unreliable Hardy.
Winner: Kurt Angle

Semi Final of the TNA title tournament:
The Pope vs. Mr. Anderson

Steven Gepp: This one could be interesting, And by ‘could be’, I mean could be if I cared about either man. They should have pulled the trigger on Pope as serious title contender last year and Anderson I think is over-rated. Even his mic skills are over-rated. He’s certainly no Rock. Hell, he’s not even a Miz (as over-rated as that guy is as well). My God, he’s not even an Ed Leslie. I expect little from this match. As to picking a winner, unless I misunderstood, all 4 guys in the tournament are essentially faces. So I look at the match which pitted the four of them against Fortune, and there they teased dissention between Pope and Angle, and Pope is growing out his chest hair (very heelish thing to do), so…
Winner: Mr Anderson

Matthew Michaels: I say The Pope should be the new champ, so let him win here. He vs. Angle will be fun. And I’m not sure if they ever fought in ECW, so it would also be FRESH.
Winner: Pope

Kyle Sparks: So, now the question becomes who goes over Angle in the finals? I think the winner of this one becomes your next TNA World Champion, because (1) TNA likes swerves, and (2) They have an opportunity to make a big star in the process. Will they do this? Probably not, but I can hope. The Pope, I’ve got to think isn’t quite ready yet. He’s close, but he needs some more time at the top. That leaves…
Winner: Mr. Anderson

Raffi Shamir: I still don’t like Mr. Anderson. At all. I still like The Pope. A lot. I still think TNA like Anderson more, and would want Angle to carry him once more.
Winner: Anderson

TNA World Tag Team Championship:
Motor City Machineguns vs. Desmond Wolfe & Magnus

Steven Gepp: If there is one thing TNA are doing better than WWE it’s their tag team. Used to be their women’s division as well, but, well, they kept Lacey Von Erich and got rid of Awesome Kong. That’s all I need to say. Anyway, back to tag teams. The matches between MCMG and Beer Money were brilliant. I mean that. It’s one of the reasons I’ve been suckered back into watching TNA. And with Generation Me there as well, it looks good. And now Wolfe and Magnus, the Pommy Posse. This should be really good, but I think too many external shenanigans will ruin it. Still…
Winners: (and new champs) Wolfe & Magnus

Matthew Michaels: I’m still thinking that the MCMG need a LONG title reign, and as much as I like these Brits, I’m not rooting against Detroit.
Winner: Shelley & Sabin

Kyle Sparks: This is a placeholder feud, nothing more. Holding a place for what? Who knows, this is TNA. Even still, no way the Guns drop the titles here.
Winner: Motor City Machine Guns

Raffi Shamir: I love the name London Brawling. This match is gonna kick so much ass and prove once again that when tag team wrestling is done right (Like TNA is doing for the past two months), it can be excellent. I’m sure Steven isn’t the only one who came back to TNA thanks to the amazing Beer Money/MCMG series and both TNA and WWE should take this seriously. Anyway, MCMG need to win and go on to rule the tag division.
Winners: MCMG

I Quit Match:
AJ Styles vs. Tommy Dreamer

Steven Gepp: I marked out when Dreamer won the ECW title in the WWE. I thought he did well in those matches where he was protected and made to look reasonable. Now he’s against a guy who is running at twice his speed, twice his talent and with actual wrestling skill, in a stable being managed by Ric Flair. So, of course, I know the way TNA works – Dreamer should win. Then Flair will turn on AJ, AJ will go back to being a face, challenge for the title, lose, and be mired in midcard hell until 2012 when he jumps to WWE where he’ll form a tag team with Evan Bourne called Rejected which will be let go after they lose a match to the team of Laycool, only to make an appearance at an ROH show where he’ll be bitter and twisted, drinking cheap Tequila with Shane Douglas and they talk about the ways Ric Flair screwed their careers over… But, look, being an I Quit match, they should have enough audio of Dreamer quitting, so they’ll pull a Foley here and pipe in a Dreamer I Quit to prolong this EV2.0/Fortune feud.
Winner: AJ Styles

Matthew Michaels: I just can’t see Dreamer winning this if it’s a fair fight.
Winner: Styles

Kyle Sparks: Tommy won’t say “I Quit,” but AJ picks up the win after he beats Tommy into unconsciousness and the match is stopped. Can the officials do that? Is it legal? Who cares, this is TNA! Logic is for losers!
Winner: AJ Styles

Raffi Shamir: Remember those who justified Hardcore Justice by saying it’s a one off event and the old ECW guys will be gone after that? I’d like to read their view now. And if I hear anyone saying that Styles will get a rub from Dreamer when he beats him, I’ll scream. Dreamer can’t give any rub to anyone at this stage. If anything, he’s getting the rub from Styles by wrestling him. I hope Styles completely decimates Dreamer here and takes him out.
Winner: Styles

TNA X Division Championship:
Douglas Williams vs. Sabu

Steven Gepp: This is what the X-Division is all about! A technical wrestler and an over-the-hill bump machine. Sabu will come out with all guns blazing, but unfortunately this is a wrestling match and so he’ll be arrested for being in possession of an unregistered firearm… Look, I’m trying to get excited about this match. But I can’t. I was over Sabu in 1997. I saw a match on ECW PPV where he botched so many spots I was genuinely afraid for his life and the life of whoever it was he was wrestling. And now he’s fighting a guy who’s not used to his insanity as well as Sabu being older and half a step slower. This is going to be bowling shoe ugly (to quote JR).
Winner: Douglas Williams

Matthew Michaels: Should be exciting, and why not? Let Sabu win and REALLY make the wrestling purist go insane.
Winner: Sabu

Kyle Sparks: Sabu is unreliable, a poor worker, only marginally over, etc. etc. Williams needs to drop the X-Title, but not to Sabu.
Winner: Douglas Williams

Raffi Shamir: Take what I wrote about Dreamer and it’s the same for Sabu. Why oh whay is he fighting Williams here?
Winner: Williams

Falls Count Anywhere Match:
Rhyno vs. Abyss

Steven Gepp: I don’t like Abyss and have always thought Rhyno was overrated (how many times can I use that word in one PPV review and not be over-using it?). At least this is a hardcore match and not a submissions match, I suppose. Playing to their strengths (i.e., not wrestling). This should be awful.
Winner: Abyss

Matthew Michaels: GORE! GORE! GORE! GORE!
Winner: Abyss

Kyle Sparks: Well, EV2 needs to win at least one of them. And the booking has been as abusive of Abyss as anybody else.
Winner: Rhino

Raffi Shamir: How many times have we seen this match already? I’m not a big fan of hardcore matches and when Abyss pulls out the bag of thumbtacks or broken glass, I usually fast forward. He lost on Impact and if TNA wants to continue portraying him as a monster, he shouldn’t lose again.
Winner: Abyss

Sting & Kevin Nash vs. Jeff Jarrett & Samoa Joe

Steven Gepp: The best thing about this match is the fact that Nash, Hall and Jarrett are in it together and therefore not dragging some poor kid with his future ahead of him down with them. The bad news is that Samoa Joe’s in there. I guess TNA could not drag him much further down than they already have, but this man is a killer. He is a legit star and could be having 4+-star matches with large numbers of the roster. But no, he has to slow down everything he does to ‘keep up (down) with’ these 3. And look at them. I’ll give Jarrett something – he still looks like he gives a shit in the ring. Nash looks bored and Sting looks… contracted. Like he’s doing it for the money because he knows he can’t do anything else. (See also Flair, Ric and Hogan, Hulk) So here’s what I hope will happen – Joe turns on Jarrett and just goes to town on all 3 of the antiques, destroying them all until they are no more than quivering masses of jelly in three of the corners. And then Hogan and Flair come out and he does the same to them and then the members of EV2.0 come out and he does the same to them, leaving the wrestlers to have TNA. And Bischoff will come out and say again that only old people draw and the whole roster will hand him his arse on a Ted Turner Commemorative Plate (only $19.99 plus shipping). Russo, meanwhile, will be found three weeks later working the night shift in the DVD return section of his local Blockbuster, still crying and begging everyone to just leave him alone. And the ratings will stay exactly the same but at least the show will be fun again.
Winner: Sting/Nash with lots of shenanigans and/or a turn by Joe or Jarrett or both

Kyle Sparks: Ugh. I have no idea where this is going, so I’ll just go with my hope. Joe walks out on Jarrett, who does the job, Joe returns and murders all three.
Winners: Sting & Kevin Nash

Matthew Michaels: Joe will pick up the win.
Winners: Joe & Jarrett

Raffi Shamir: What are the odds of Sting, Nash and Jarrett all attacking Joe, making him look once again like a complete tool and continuing the biggest mishandling of any wrestler in TNA history?
Winners: Sting and Nash

Velvet Sky vs. Madison Rayne

Steven Gepp: I used to like the Knockouts Division. I really did. When they had women who looked like they could wrestle. Now while these two aren’t as bad as the women on WWE programming, they just don’t do it for me. I don’t even find them particularly attractive, so it’s not even an eye candy match for me.
Winner: (heads) Velvet Sky

Kyle Sparks: Ugh. I don’t know, let’s say Velvet, due to Elementary Booking 101. What little attention I admittedly pay to TNA goes out the window when the women show up.
Winner: Velvet Sky

Raffi Shamir: TNA bill this a grudge match, not a title match, but this doesn’t mean that the title will not be on the line. Not that it matters, I think Velvet should win here and move on to feud with Tara, who will eventually take the title.
Winner: Velvet Sky

And that’s what we think. Come back to Pulse Wrestling on Sunday night for full live coverage of TNA No Surrender 2010.



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  • Mark

    This has possibly got to be the worst PPV card of the year. It scares me as to how bad this is, it really does. TNA seem to have lost the plot with their bookings and even matches that should be really good are being made awful.

    The Hardy/Angle match should be good, but because we know the winner that will mark it down. The only one that I’ll sit down and watch when it’s shown in the UK next weekend is the tag team match. The rest…… no ta.

  • incognito

    I remember everyone saying the Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker matches both sucked because everyone knew who would win beforehand, so its only fair to complain about Kurt Angle.

  • Anthony J. Zinzi

    London Brawling/MCMG may be a placeholder for MCMG/Haas & Benjamin…or the FBI. I kid, or do I?

  • Mark

    While I can see where you’re coming from incognito, the Michaels vs Undertaker matches were not for the title and so I don’t mind that too much. It was a chance for two outstanding wrestlers to enhance their legacy.

    With the Angle storyline however, he has said that he would retire unless he won the belt. So that pretty much makes the tournament null and void because bar some pretty crappy swerve a la the Punk vs Undertaker PPV farce, you can guarantee that next month the gold will be round Angle’s waist. That isn’t a bad thing, but it just makes this storyline so predictable unfortunately.

    As for the tag team match, if it’s against FBI it would just be a farce! I would get seriously excited if Haas and Benjamin turned up, or even better if Paul London teamed up with Brian Kendrick. MCMG vs London/Kendrick would just be a MOTY contender for me.

  • incognito

    If they can get London, they should save that for BFG. MCMG vs. London Brawling vs. Generation Me vs. London/Kendrick in Full Metal Mayhem. Have Beer Money attack the winners post match, then Haas and Benjamin run in for the save. Tag team wrestling officially on fire for the next year.

  • incognito

    As for the tournament being too predictable – you never know, they could come up with some stupid non-finish for one of the matches and we could get a three way dance at BFG for the title.

  • Anthony J. Zinzi

    You could always have someone run in and get Angle DQ’d, sending him down a different road for BFG. But since it’s TNA, they’d probably have Shannon Moore do the run in…

  • Raffi Shamir

    I agree with what Mark wrote here, but there is one caveat. Earlier this year Angle had a title match against Styles with the stipulation that if he didn’t win the title, Angle would not get another shot at Styles for a whole year. But then on the next Impact they just said f*ck it and gave him another shot. I haven’t seen the event yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Angle lost but then TNA would just say “forget that Angle promise, did you really expect a wrestler to follow a promise?”

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