Rasslin’ Roundtable – Triple H’s “No Confidence” Walkout Angle to End WWE Raw Supershow 10.3.11
by Pulse Glazer on October 7, 2011

The end to Raw, with the roster, crew, and even announcers walking out on the Triple H regime, was hugely controversial. Scott Keith, Andy Wheeler, and I all hated this angle. In an effort to bring you as many perspectives on the angle as possible, we’ve asked the InsidePulse Wrestling Staff to each give a quick write-up on what they thought of this enormous angle:

The Haters

Rhett Davis: I don’t know what the WWE is going for here. There are less than three weeks remaining until their next PPV and they drop the ‘bomb-shell’ that the entire roster sans Orton/Cena/Punk/Kelly/Sheamus have no faith in Triple H and want him to step down from his position. So rather than focusing on Vengeance, they are focusing their entire show on Triple H. With only three weeks left, there should be matches moving along storylines, but the entire show, including the end, was focused on Triple H. So the ‘no-confidence’ says that if over half of the roster vote no-confidence then Triple H has to step down or assign a replacement? As someone else said, why the hell wasn’t Vince fired last year when Nexus went bonkers on everyone? There’ve only been a handful of guys who have even been bothered. Seriously how has Alex Riley, Air Boom, Wade Barrett, Mark Henry, and Jack Swagger been affected by Triple H becoming COO? And JR walking out is just the epitome of how ridiculous it all is. He wouldn’t even be there if it weren’t for Triple H. The whole ending was bizarre and there’s really no way I see this storyline turning around. Sad day considering the PPV was so brilliant Sunday.

Joel Leonard: I know that they were going for a very dramatic “company threatening” feel by having Triple H stand alone in the ring. But my feeling is a little bit “so what?” It was stated multiple times earlier in the episode that the vote was just to see how people thought Triple H was doing, and his job was never in any real threat. In all his years in the WWE, Triple H has never been a character that is overly concerned with what people think about him. So what real effect does the walkout have? Are we expecting these wrestlers to refuses matches until Triple H steps down? But what about all the Smackdown stars who have an episode before this next Raw when we’ll see the fallout from this walking out segment. I’m not even sure what beef Smackdown wrestlers would have with Triple H since the only change they’ve experienced since his promotion is getting more screen time on Mondays. So it’s a nice dramatic gesture to end the show on, but I don’t see what’s stopping Triple H from merely shrugging his shoulders, saying “Too bad,” And making everybody go back to work.

Joe Violet: I’ve always ranted about continuity and consistency in storylines, and this segment dropped the ball on all levels this time. There were several breaches of character (Beth Phoenix immediately comes to mind), and the lines between face and heel have been even more blurred than ever. The entire “no confidence” reaction itself doesn’t really make any sense because things really aren’t that much different, except for Miz and R-Truth being painted as, for lack of a better term, vigilantes. I know it’s been this way for a while, but now, kayfabe has completely disintegrated. Even more alarming is the fact that the entire WWE has become centered around HHH again, and he’s not even in a wrestling capacity this time. Normally, I’m the kind of guy who wants to wait and see where a storyline goes, but this will either be brilliantly done, or it will bomb terribly…and there’s not really much you can do after a move like this.

Wait and See

Mike Gojira: So a lot of people are up in arms about this “Triple H walk out” deal. When you look at it objectively, it’s totally ridiculous, as the guys who are complaining the most are the ones most likely to cause the chaos. To top it all off, Miz/Truth are focused on Triple H, Cena, and Punk…three guys who have yet to complain about it. However, this reeks of a situation that Creative has forced upon itself and therefore decided, “Fuck it; we know it makes no sense but we need to advance the story.” The end of Raw was a necessary evil, in my opinion, because Triple H needed to experience what Punk was talking about for weeks. Could there have been a better way to do it? Sure, but what’s done is done. I’m not prescribing to the belief that this is all about Triple H…not yet. Let’s try to look at the bigger picture. For more from me on this situation, check out this week’s Stomping Ground.

Blair A. Douglas: The PPV was not brilliant on Sunday, people who enjoyed the main event are pretending it was but their minds have blocked out every single thing that came before it. Regarding the Triple H situation, it’s not my cup of tea personally, but what they’re going for does make sense. They’re trying to draw more of the roster into this one storyline, which is not a bad idea at all. They got people to care about The Miz and R-Truth. Now they’re trying to get it to happen with more people. How else are people supposed to care about guys like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger? And it doesn’t even matter if you think they’re good wrestlers or not, the bottom line is that they and guys like them being in a central storyline will increase their importance. If we see any actual good matches out of it remains to be seen, and remember that the only 3 guys on the roster that really, truly matter (CM Punk, John Cena & Randy Orton) were not out there on Monday. So their take remains to be seen, and people are speculating about it. That’s a good thing. No one is speculating about anything else going on right now, aside from CM Punk. Again, this wasn’t exactly my cup of tea either, but is it better than watching Mark Henry fall on people and cut generic IM A MONSTER promos? You bet your sweet lawn jockey it is.

Steven Gepp: After an average PPV, RAW needed to do something to let the people at home know that WWE is still worth watching. What they got was something out of ‘Bold And The Beautiful’, where people did things so against character that it made no sense. Yet I still want to see where it’s going because I cannot see where it possibly could be going. This was just confusing. And how does this play to a PG audience? I think this is a serious misstep, but I am keeping my mind open… for the moment.

CW Sanders: Well, I’m taking a more “wait and see” approach.” I know in the past I’ve been pretty harsh on this whole storyline just because every week they threw in just one more ridiculous twist to the point where it was hard to remember everything. But with this newest addition to the story, I know they’re trying to lead to something big for Survivor Series so I’m giving WWE the benefit of the doubt in that there will be some sort of logical reason for all this at least through SS. After that point, who knows because WWE has a hard time with ending something. It does seem odd that Punk was the one that started all of this and yet now he doesn’t seem to be part of anything and now HHH is taking Punk’s spotlight. Not that HHH stealing someone’s spotlight is new or anything. MY whole point in this nonsensical diatribe is that I’m remaining optimistic despite my or anyone else’s better judgment. With that, I say, huzzah huzzah huzzah, and in all things, huzzah.

Positive Reviews

Mark Allen: I am actually in the minority on this. I actually didn’t mind this past week’s RAW and found it enjoyable for the most part. Were there flaws in the Triple H vote angle? Sure. The Beth Phoenix “we’re girls” statement was cringe-worthy and incredibly out-of-character for her. But I liked that Barrett spoke for the workers and then got called out on his hypocrisy. Is this a storyline that is a lot of talking and not necessarily leading to not a lot of wrestling? Sure. But there have been many angles like this in the past. For me I enjoy that is an all-encompassing, company wide story that weaves an entire theme through the company. It’s obvious that is building to an incredibly explosive story for Survivor Series, using actual elimination matches, something most of us crave out of our Survivor Series matches. With Cena, Orton, Sheamus and Punk not present for the meeting it immediately makes them conspicuous by their absence and thus makes them more important. It is obvious that the company is telling the fans that these are “the guys.” This already looks like the make-up of the team that would team with The Rock against the company’s top villains. As for the villains, so many have been integrated into this story, that it is great. David Otunga has finally found a purpose for him that is useful and makes him relevant for the first time in over a year. Plus add in Vickie’s team of “blonde bombers,” Christian and The WWE Champion Alberto Del Rio that immediately makes for a cohesive team. Not to mention the “fired” Kevin Nash, R-Truth and Miz should all be floating around by then again, making for plenty of options for the heroes to work against, and most likely lead to a second elimination match with the storyline’s b-team. This will then lead nicely into the end of the year, the all-important Royal Rumble and the holy grail of the Road to WrestleMania. Love it or hate it, fact is, this has been the most talked about episode of RAW since CM Punk’s first pipe bomb back in June. And for WWE, that’s a good thing. So I am taking a wait-and-see approach with everything here and will anxiously await this week’s RAW to see where the story leads from here.

Kelly Floyd: I actually enjoyed this. Call me crazy, but I was interested. It felt like real results, real consequences from a series of actions that we watched happen. Of course it had its brutal moments…I could smack Beth Phoenix for the pathetic ’50s flashback she induced. But I can see the seeds planted from numerous incidents, so it almost makes it feel real again. There’s a million and one ways they could take this…will it be the correct one? Well, probably not. But the potential is there. Hey, it had me intrigued, and I’ve allowed Raw to completely drop off my radar. And, I’m a cynical bitch. But mainly that first thing.

Finally, you can find Scott Keith’s thoughts at the end of his Smark Raw Rant, Andrew Wheeler in his Judicial Review and a special For Your Consideration, and my own at the end of 10 Thoughts on Raw.

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  • Michael

    I find several reasons that this angle is garbage:

    1) It’s so obvious that the heels want their heel-centric John Laurinitis/TARGM back. It’s so obvious that John Laurinitis is the person CM Punk and Lawler are referring to as the straw who stirs the drink.

    2) The continuance of anything in WWE (house shows, NXT/Superstars, Raw/Smackdown) cannot go on with HHH as COO.

    3) Related to #1, would one not easily discern that the heels want to create a safe environment only for themselves?

  • CB

    I am in the wait and see camp on this, just caught up on Raw and watched it and while it was a unique development, I have my doubts about how they give a payoff that will actually be worth all this hassle.

  • Wally Kovacs

    Smackdown made sense this week. Outside of a few things (like making Zach Ryder assistant GM), HHH has been hands off on Smackdown. He did make himself a pseudo Raw GM, but even then, he mostly passed off stuff on to other people (Teddy Long made some matches, as did Johnny Ace, sometimes with and sometimes without permission). So, while the heels have selfish motives (or are being manipulated), HHH has been doing a bad job in allowing Johnny Ace to wield so much power and influence, not figuring out what was going on, and not puting a stop to it, etc.

    Also, while it’s obvious that the Funk Man is ‘in’ on things (at the very least, he’s the one working with the fired guys, while simultaneously trying to help the walk out heels) that doesn’t make him the mastermind.

    Also, something to note:

    Super Dave forced Cody to defend his IC title, blaming HHH, but later HHH said he shouldn’t be making matches. This seems to imply that perhaps Johnny Ace isn’t actually “in” with the lawsuit brigade, but is instead making things worse for them (in the name of HHH) in order to manipulate them into doing his dirty work for him. He was obviously texting Nash, trying to screw HHH in his match against Punk, and now seems to be working with R-Truth and Miz (which he may have been doing for a while, coordinating their attack during the HHH/Punk match), but Del Rio, Christian, Ziggler, Swagger, and Rhodes don’t seem to be bringing up the firing of Miz and R-Truth as bad things, they want to be protected from them. So, HHH is being attacked from two sides in that case.

    In terms of Survivor Series, there is definitely two distinct heel groups. The lawsuit club is up to 7 people now with Otunga and Barrett … so they may take Christian and Del Rio, and put them onto the main event team, along with Miz, Truth and Nash, while the former Nexus members, Vickies boys and Rhodes are on the other. Then again, there are quite a few ways they could break down the teams.

    Both Awesome Truth and Vickie’s Blondes have had on and off feuds with Air Boom, so teaming them up would with the tag champs on the other side would make sense. There would be easy adds to that group as well, since Zach Ryder has some unresolved issues with Ziggler, and John Morrison has a past with Miz, R-Truth, and is basically in contention for Zigglers US Title. They could go with Christian and Sheamus as the last two, or perhaps Orton and Rhodes.

    For the other team, putting Punk up against his former Nexus running mates makes sense, and Cena has quite a bit of history with them as well. Both of them also still have unfinished business with Del Rio. Rock and Nash both making their returns would be interesting, and having HHH round out the face side would make sense.

    So, depending on which way the wind is blowing, I’d see the breakdown as:

    HHH/Cena/Punk/Rock/Orton Vs. Nash/ADR/Wade/Otunga/Rhodes



    With the latter heel team being able to win while th former is obviously the faces winning (or, where the ‘shocking’ turn happens).

    That assumes of course they go full bore and barely any title matches (luckily they have Big Show back now to have a World Title match with Mark Henry to pad out the undercard without eliminating anyone relevant to the storyline or force someone to pull double duty. Of course, lucky to have a Big Show/Henry match is a very loose definition of lucky. It also means we’ll probably have another Sin Cara mirror match, and a Diva match naturally, but not sure what else there is. Hey, they might give Daniel Bryan something to do just so that they can get one more match onto the card (no doubt booked during the show, so he doesn’t have to show up on TV before the PPV).

  • owangotang

    The ONLY ones who have come out ahead since HHH’s ascension to COO are Awesome Truth. Consider how many Superstars have gone completely against character when crossing HHH’s path:

    CM Punk: He wanted change, more money, more visibility, and more freedom and got it all…yet somehow he still hated HHH? The man who gave it all to him, storyline-wise at the very least?

    Beth Phoenix: Hey, I’m Pin-Up Strong…but JESUS CHRIST some crazy man might hurt a Diva! What the hell sense did that make?

    Wade Barrett: HHH even took the time to point this one out in a moment of some weird exposition of exactly how out of character Barrett was being.

    Jerry Lawler: Hey, I believe someone else is stirring the pot and intentionally undermining you, effectively removing all blame from you for any mishaps…but I’m gonna walk out anyways. Again, WHAT THE HELL?

    JR: NOTHING about his walking out made sense. If anyone should be for the whole less whining/more fighting stuff HHH was espousing it ought to be JR, not to mention the fact that HHH brought JR back to RAW.

    I do not know anyone who watched this past Summer unfold who thought “Damn this is new, exciting stuff…I HOPE HHH COMES BACK AND GETS INVOLVED IN IT AND EVERYTHING BECOMES ABOUT HIM!!!” Clearly those people are out there because HHH is getting face pops but I’m glad I do not know any of them personally.

  • Wally Kovacs

    Punk: He wanted change, and when HHH took over, he felt that HHH may instead be about maintaining the status quo. HHH was promoted from within, so he isn’t the most likely person to revolutionize things. And when it turned out that it was obvious that HHH wasn’t pulling the strings with Nash and company, guess what … PUNK STOPPED. He got his title match at Hell in the Cell, refused to side with Truth and Miz, etc. He was suspicious of HHH, based in part on his past and reputation, but saw that HHH was actually not the bad guy in the situation, and acted accordingly. So Punk wasn’t acting irrationally (outside of falling for stupid things like Nash coming out on the ramp and being distracted enough for Cena to beat him).

    As for Barrett … newsflash: Some heels are hypocrites.

    I agree on the Lawler/JR stuff though, that was a bit whacky (although, I can sort of buy Lawler’s reasoning. Yes, this is obviously the work of people trying to undermine HHH… but he is allowing it to happen, and not doing anything about it. Being incompetent at your job is still bad. Just because HHH isn’t intentionally ruining things, he is allowing Johnny Ace to run around and screw things up without noticing OR doing anything to stop it. For some the walk out was meant more as a wake up call “hey, HHH, get your head out of your ass and get this company in order” more so than a “I want you to quit” statement.

    If the reason he can’t do his job is that none of the people working for him respect him enough to do what he wants them to do, AND he doesn’t fire those people or otherwise fix the situation … he is still part of the problem. Incomptetence and Negligence are just as damning as malicious intent.

  • Wally Kovacs

    Put another way, during the heyday of WCW/nWo:

    It’s still Eric Bischoff’s fault if Hogan and Nash were ruining the show, because even if it’s their deciions being made, Eric was the one who got them creative control, and allowed them to run roughshod over the show, etc. Any COO or GM, or whatever would need to deal with political weasels trying to undermine, manipulate or otherwise take advantage of them, so the fact that HHH seems incapabable of handling those elements reflect poorly on him. If a sabatour is running around the company and wrecking stuff, it’s perfectly reasonable to come down hard on security for not being able to catch and put a stop to the sabateur, even if it’s ultimately all the sabateurs ‘fault’ that bad stuff is happening.

  • James Alsop

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m happy with any air-time that Wade Barrett gets to cut a great heel promo. The guy smacks of quality.

  • Blair A. Douglas

    Michael: I like that comment “straw who stirs the drink.” Might be stealing that.

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