The Common Denominator – Are There Anymore Dream Matches? (WWE, John Cena, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair)
by Ralph Hardin on February 15, 2012

I have to admit I’m a little worried about where the WWE is going to go after WrestleMania. 

I mean, I’m sure they (surely) have some ideas in place, but I can usually make an educated guess or two, and while they certainly have the opportunity to shake things up and set a course with Elimination Chamber yet to come and ‘Mania itself to have a few big payoffs, I’m not seeing any really exciting potential match-ups on the horizon.

Rock-Cena is going to be a big success. There’s really nothing short of a freak injury that will stop that juggernaut. And it is a great “dream match,” pitting the top star (with all due respect to Steve Austin) of the previous era against the top star of today’s WWE. The only thing that might have made this better is if they had been able to pull it off last year when Cena was slightly lest reviled by the fan base. But, it’s still a big, big match.

So, after that? No, I’m asking…I have no idea. So, Cena wins, right? I mean, the Rock is going back to Hollywood to make movies and Cena is the face of the WWE right now, so I can’t imagine Rocky going over…unless there’s more Rock-in-WWE in the works, and there’s nothing wrong with that if there is. 

Assuming there’s not, then what? 

Does Cena jump right back into the WWE title scene. We’ve seen a lot of Punk-Cena. Maybe Punk drops the belt to Jericho? Sure, it’s been a while, and there’s plenty of history to draw from, but are we clamoring for Cena-Jericho either? Maybe Cena will embrace the hate once and for all and have a feud with Zack Ryder or something (there’s got to be some kind of payoff to all of that business, right?), so Cena’s not in the title hunt. Then who?

That’s kind of where I am focusing here – who do we want to see feuding over the WWE Championship over the next few months? There just doesn’t seem to be a bevy of fresh intriguing matches.

So, does the WWE have a ‘dream match’ left in its arsenal. There are a few match-ups that are more like “pipe dream” matches. Let’s look at those…

CM Punk vs. Steve Austin – Now, this could really be “Stone Cold” vs. (fill-in-the-blank) – whether it’s Punk, Cena, Orton, etc., fans and WWE execs alike would love for Austin to agree to his fabled “one more match,” preferably at a major pay-per-view. Unfortunately, it seems less and less likely as time goes on that we’ll ever see that happen. And, you know what? If I’m Austin, and I don’t need the money, and there’s risk of permanent injury, then I’m going to pass and enjoy retirement and an occasional guest appearance.

Undertaker vs. Sting – Probably THE remaining but possibly viable dream match. Apparently this was at least somewhat close to happening a time or two in recent years, but it never came together. Now, it probably never will, but I do love the idea of Sting and Undertaker going out in a blaze of glory together, maybe at next year’s ‘Mania. They were pretty much the defining “characters” of the past twenty years for their respective wrestling organizations. In fact, in a time when pretty much all the big names were jumping from WCW to the WWF and vice versa – including Hogan, Savage, Flair, the Road Warriors, Hall, Nash, Steamboat…umm, the Big Bossman – they stayed home. Now, whether it was loyalty or money or whatever, the fact remains that even now, with both men in the twilights of their careers, fans would pay and pay big to see them go at it.

DX vs. The Outsiders – I know these guys have wrestled each other in various combinations dozens of times, but not since the nWo formed in 1996. And I know that a number of health and other reasons will likely mean this match ain’t gonna happen, but HHH and Shawn against Hall and Nash would be awesome in the promo work alone. Actually, probably only in the promo work, as the Outsiders are really in no condition to be in the ring at all, much less putting on any semblance of a good match.

The pool is getting pretty shallow…
I guess there’s Punk/HBK maybe, or I don’t know…Cena/Samoa Joe?

 Seriously, pick two guys who you would love to see, would pay to see, and would qualify as a “dream match.” 

Back in the day, and by this I mean the 80s and 90s, when there were two or three legitimate national promotions and strong territories. Oh, the matches my friends and I would fantasize and argue about. 

The granddaddy of them all, of course was Hogan-Flair – the ultimate face vs. the ultimate heel. To this day, I don’t know how the WWF screwed that up once they finally had them both under one company banner from 1991 to 1993. And WCW did give us a proper Hogan-Flair match-up in 1994, but by then, the luster had worn off considerably. 
Hogan-Andre was a great dream match that we didn’t even know we wanted, but holy crap, once we got it into our heads – 93,000 people in Pontiac, Michigan can’t be wrong. 

Eventually, we got to see most of our dreams come true – Hogan/Luger, Hogan/Sting, Sting/Savage, Savage/Luger. Flair/Hart, Road Warriors/Demolition, Flair/Steamboat, Sting/Hart, HBK/Flair. Some didn’t quite live up to expectations, and there were a few my friends and I wanted but never got (Hogan/Steamboat, Flair/Andre, Sting/Warrior), but at least there were dream matches to consider.

Just like everything else today, it seems like wrestling has put everything into fast-forward mode. With two weekly shows, monthly pay-per-views, and an audience that is supposedly incapable of or uninterested in appreciating the art of the slow-burn, maybe building feuds and storylines that span months just isn’t feasible. Maybe that’s why we’re burning the high profile feuds in weeks or at most a couple of months. It’s hard to save a “dream match” when you’ve got to have a high-profile main event for the pay-per-view – and oh, by the way, it’s in three weeks, so don’t even think about trying to tell a story leading up to it.

I can’t help but think of the recent CM Punk-Daniel Bryan match that took place recently on Raw (I think). Here was both the WWE Champ and the World Heavyweight Champ wrestling each other…on free television…and I’m pretty sure it was the opening match. That’s just sad. If these are the best each show has to offer (and the Internet Wrestling Community seems to think along those lines) why would you even have these two guys in the same building? 

As much as I have never liked the brand split, it does (or did?) serve to keep some guys apart. Let’s jump back, oh say 10 years…It’s 2002, would you have World Heavyweight Champion Shawn Michaels vs. WWE Champion Brock Lesnar during hour one of your weekly cable show? Hell no! That’s a pay-per-view main event…maybe even a Wrestlemania Main Event! (Come to think of it, did we ever get that match? I don’t remember it, if we did. That’s quite a pairing).

Anyway, here’s what I’m saying. 

Here’s the common denominator – you have to create matches fans want to see. It was true when Hogan and the Warrior locked up in 1990, and it’s true today. When Rock and Cena lock up at Wrestlemania it will be epic. Yes, the anti-Cena backlash currently underway will affect the dynamic of the match, but it’s a marquee match-up that everyone is excited about. They announced it a year ago and have been building toward it ever since. Let’s see them announce Austin-Punk for next year. It ain’t gonna happen. Let’s see them announce Anyone-Anyone for next year. Not likely. I mean, who would it be?

So, here’s a thought – and I know I’m not the first person to think of this, but I’m going to give my take. Pick a couple of guys you have faith in. For argument’s sake, I’m going to say Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler. I don’t follow Smackdown as closely as I do Raw, so I may be wrong here, but I don’t think they have a history, so let’s go with these two (but really, any two guys will do). Okay, now put them on different shows and keep them there. 

Cody’s the Intercontinental champ, right? Cool, keep the belt on him and move him to Raw full time. Keep the U.S. belt on Smackdown. Put Ziggler on Smackdown. Put the World Title on Sheamus. Eventually, Orton or Wade Barrett can get it off of him, but ultimately Ziggler gets the belt, maybe even via a Money in the Bank win and cash-in, a la Edge. So, you’ve got smarmy cocky, Mr. Perfect-esque Ziggler with the Big Gold Belt. 
Meanwhile, Rhodes gets to stay busy pretty much dominating the semi-main event scene, threatening Honky Tonk Man’s I-C title longevity record and building his status. Sometime late in the year, though, Goldust is making an appearance, getting squashed and destroyed by Kane or a heel-turned Brodus Clay, or an angry Mark Henry – whatever, but guess who makes the save…Cody Rhodes. 

Suddenly, he’s a good guy and he’s getting cheers. Come January, he wins the Rumble, maybe by running the table. Then, instead of challenging for the WWE title, he wants the belt held by his father, a belt that’s about “wrestling” – and challenges Ziggler at Wrestlemania in a fresh and anticipated match-up. He wins, becomes a double-champion and a bona fide superstar. Not only that, he gives up the Intercontinental title and you give the belt to the next superstar-in-waiting. I recommend Joe Hennig.

Like I say, it doesn’t have to be Ziggler and Rhodes. Or it doesn’t have to be JUST Ziggler and Rhodes. Pick a few guys like Del Rio, DiBiase, Truth, Kingston, Barrett, and keep them apart. Pick some NXT or developmental guys and bring them up, but keep a few of them on one brand and a few on the other and start building them up now. If you bring in say eight guys and four of them catch on, you’ve got mixes and matches for six different programs right there! I don’t care if it’s Brodus Clay. If he can build a fan base and get over, save a high-profile feud for down the road.

Speaking of the Funkasaurus, where has he been the past couple of weeks?

So, as far as “dream matches” go, picture this…It’s 1998, you’ve got Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Sting and the Ultimate Warrior all under contract. What do you do? Hogan-Hart? (finally!) Sting-Warrior? (yes!) …Well, if you’re WCW, you do a tag-team match. Yes, slightly less exciting, but still super-cool right? That’ll sell some pay-per-views. What? Give it away on free TV? Okay, then…

What? You were expecting something a little more decisive (and interesting)? Oh, then you’re not very familiar with WCW then, huh? Yeah, they had those four guys (and an ass-load of other guys that could really go, like Goldberg, DDP, Savage, Luger, Flair, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash…you know, I’m getting sad just thinking about it) and this was the best they could do with all the douchebaggery and politics going on.

Anyway, thanks for reading. 

Comments are, as always, welcome.




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  • Stylesjames80

    cena vs taker WM

  • Ralph Hardin

    That’s actually a pretty good match. In fact, if things hadn’t worked out with the Rock, we might have gotten that this year. You know, Kane urging Cena to “embrace the hate” to beat the streak makes a lot more sense than…whatever they’re going for right now.

  • Michael L

    Cena/Taker is one of the few dream matches featuring current WWE talent left. Yes, they faced in 2003, but at that time, Cena was still a rising talent, and his “thuganomics” character is quite different than Cena is today.

    One match I would have love to have seen is UT v. Umaga in 2006-2007. Umaga played the savage monster role perfectly, and it would have been awesome to see how he meshed with UT. It would have been reminiscent of his mid-90′s “giant-killer” matches, only Umaga had more talent than most of the giants UT faced. They could easily have had a solid 2 or 3 PPV match fued, culminating in a no DQ, last man standing or casket match.

  • Zork

    Just skimmed through this, will read and comment on later.

    Saw your comment about Brodus, I’ve seen a “Report” and will relay to you what it said.

    Apparently the Funkasaurus gimmick is on hold until Brodus’ ring work gets better. According to Vince his ring work wasn’t where he wanted it to be. I gotta scratch my head about that and I’ve always taken online news reports unless they come straight from the horse’s mouth with several grains of salt but that doesn’t make much sense. Especially when all they ever had Brodus do was a basic minute or less squash match.

  • Adam Mason

    Have AJ Styles and CM Punk ever wrestled? I’d love to see them wrestle in WWE. They’d be too unchained in TNA and it would be interesting to see if AJ could reign it in to work WWE style.

  • Zakk

    I agree. And I think this caused a few people to get ‘bored’ so to speak or less interested. The thing is any show, story, game or novel even, should leave you desperate to see what happens next. But now everything seems to happen so fast. A fued has less than a month to build up anticipation and thats just not enough time to tell a story no matter who you are. And I think much like the anticipation of doing something is harder than actually doing somthing, the anticipation is more exciting than actually seeing it. Theres no chance for that currently. Things just happen so quickly. And because everything is given so quickly, the desperation to see what happens next just isn’t there often? But I guess 14 year olds have short attention spans.

    If things were better crafted like your Zig/Cody idea, dream matches would be created, and the eagerness to keep watching would grow. Instead of this shot term, insta-payoff view.

  • Thenassar

    Great one again, Ralph. You’ve written the best stuff on here lately, so keep up the good work. The biggest problem I have felt for a while is there are too many PPVs in addition to the two shows. When you only have 3-4 weeks between these events, how do you book compelling feuds? It is utterly ridiculous that there’s an excellent gimmick like the Elimination Chamber thrown in between the Rumble and Mania. There should be nothing in between.

    I’d love if they moved the Chamber to a Summer Slam spectacular. But back to my point, when there were only 4 PPVs a year, the build up was there was legitimate time for build up and heat for mid-card matches and above. Things weren’t rushed and it just seemed more “important”. I know it’s all about money and no one in their right mind would take away money making events like these. But if Vince made less PPVs, he could justify charging more for them and I believe the fans would buy. I’d be more compelled to get them all at a higher price than I am today to just get one or two because I just don’t care about Bragging Rights. Or whatever the he’ll it is now.

  • Cynical Bastard

    I’d have loved to see DX vs. The Outsiders, say, 14 years ago. Today, not so much. When they were in their prime, that’d be a dream match for me. I was always a huge Scott Hall fan, and it’s sad to see the state he’s in today.

    “Survey says, one more for the good guys!”

  • Zork

    I’ve always said I wanted to see HBK vs The Rock, a dream match that was completely passed up due to injuries and bad timing. That would rule.

    As for the future, I’ve got a few ideas. Just give some people a shot of some kind. There are a lot of people that just kind of…hang out on the roster and do nothing. Like Curt Hawkins, Tyler Reks, Joe Hennig (I’m not…calling him by that stupid name). Give them some mic time, a few matches, something to leave an impression of some kind on people because that’s one of the biggest problems nowadays. Most people are just dudes that wrestle.

    If all three guys crash and burn so be it, at least they were given an opportunity and something was attempted at creating something new. I don’t think Raw/Smackdown ratings will catastrophically suffer for it at this point either…

  • Ralph Hardin

    This is from, I believe an IWA show in 2005, and it’s a pretty good match. One of the comments actually says “this would be a dream match today,” and it would be pretty awesome, but it’s hard for me to see AJ Styles and CM Punk on the same level at this point in time. Although Styles/Daniels vs. Punk/Bryan seems like it would be fantastic.

  • Ralph Hardin

    Yeah, it is sad. If he ever gets cleaned up, I think he’d be a great mouthpiece for a tag-team, maybe like DDP was before he became a full-time wrestler.

  • Ralph Hardin

    Thanks for the kind words. I totally agree with the “too many PPV’s” argument, but I don’t see that changing any time soon. And as much as I like seeing high caliber matches for free, it burns through a lot of potential match-ups, too, or worse yet you get Punk-Bryan in a throwaway that detracts from the “specialness” if they do wrestle in a feud down the road. Hire some enhancement talent or use developmental guys to showcase the stars and have two “big” matches per episode of Raw and Smackdown, one at the top of the hour and one for the main event…and as long as I’m ranting, put Money in the Bank back in the mix for Wrestlemania.

  • Anonymous

    My dream match already happened, it was Melina vs. Alicia Fox.

  • Anonymous

    There was a recent online survey floating around where WWE was trying to gauge what cable subscribers would or wouldn’t pay for a WWE Network. One of my friends took the survey and they said one option floating around is $110 per year but that would include all PPVs, etc. Not a bad deal if you order more than 3 per year already.

  • Thenassar

    MITB at Mania, and Chamber at SS. I’d be happy.

    @CB – I recall reading something about that, too. I say have the Network show all the “B” PPVs and make the big 4 premiums.

  • Anonymous

    I’d be in for that Thenassar, though the B PPVs have been pretty disappointing outside of the MITB one and that was because of the perfect storm of Punk-Cena in Chicago the day before Punk’s contract was up.

  • http://twitter.com/ZachKaulanaYuen Zachary Yuen

    They fought for the ROH Pure Title in the tournament final to crown the first champ in 2004. I was at A.J.’s title defense against Punk in Elizabeth, N.J. I think the show after. It was pretty solid, ***1/2 match Stlyes retained, but then TNA pulled their talent shortly after that from ROH.

  • http://twitter.com/ZachKaulanaYuen Zachary Yuen

    I know it’s been mentioned, but I have to stress how much Undertaker vs. John Cena is a HUGE dream match. There was a RAW in 2009 where it was a triple threat tag team match featured DX, JeriShow, Cena and Taker. I believe Cena/Taker won, and Taker tombstoned Cena (on camera not off-air) to see how the fans would react to that, as that was a possibility for Wrestlemania 26. Then, nothing happened. If there was anyway they could hold off Undertaker vs. Cena for Wrestlemania 30 that would be awesome, but I think if it ever happened it would be next year to sell out MetLife Stadium.

  • http://twitter.com/ZachKaulanaYuen Zachary Yuen

    Wrestlemania 29 will sell out regardless, but you get the idea. Cena going up against the Streak tells a story by itself. Cena could even play it off like “You’re only undefeated, because I was too busy trying to win or retain one of the top 2 titles. Now that I have done it all (assuming he beats the Rock), I’m coming after you.” Plus, statistiscally, Cena is 6-2 at Wrestlemania (7-2 if he beats Rock), which is prolly the bet win percentage besides Taker and Hogan for guys who’ve been in a lot of Mania matches.

  • http://twitter.com/ZachKaulanaYuen Zachary Yuen

    Other dream matches for Wrestlemania that I think realistically would be great (Not including HBK or Austin, since I’m pretty sure they won’t wrestle again):

    -Randy Orton vs. Undertaker: I know it happened at WM21, but if HHH, Kane, and HBK can lose to him twice, why not Orton? Especially now that his character is much better than it was in 2005.

    -Kurt Angle vs. C.M. Punk: Considering their Twitter barbs last year, and if Angle and WWE ever reconciled soon, this is the first match I want Angle to have. He’s already feuded with Cena twice (when John was mid-card and main event levels), Undertaker, Orton (Angle’s last WWE PPV match he lost to Orton), Jericho, HHH, Rey Mysterio, etc. This is a fresh match-up that would be huge, title or not title.

    -Rey Mysterio vs. The Rock: I totally understand if I get bashed for this match-up, but if Rock can still have 3-4 star matches (which I think he can), he could EASILY be the heel in this match and have a great one (no pun intended) with Rey. Like it or not Rey is one of the most over guys in WWE history (Much to my surprise), and you already have built fanbases: Teenagers/Adults cheer for Rock, kids cheer for Rey. huh doesn’t that sound familiar?

  • Limodriver

    Perhaps at a house show or dark match somewhere they asked him to wrestle a longer, more interesting match, where he had to sell and use more than three moves, and he was incapable of doing that effectively. So rather than keep sending him out for one minute squashes, they took him off the air.

    Although that seems like the sort of detail they should have seen to before putting him on the air in the first place. Still, it’s surprising he wasn’t in the Royal Rumble as he would have gotten a decent pop and wouldn’t have been too exposed.

  • Sideshowbob

    Total “dream matches”.. Well to name the impossible…
    Ziggler v hennig
    Macho v punk
    Roberts vs Finley
    Ryder v beefcake
    Dino bravo vs mark Henry
    Owen vs jericho

  • Ralph Hardin

    If we are going down that road…
    Andre vs. Undertaker
    Austin vs. Goldberg
    Rock vs. Savage
    Brock vs. Vader

    These would all be when each was in their prime, of course…

  • Ralph Hardin

    I wish Angle would make a return to the WWE while he’s still able to “go” in the ring. I think Punk/Rock would be awesome. I agree that Rey is the default face no matter who he’s up against. He’s got the universal appeal that Cena wishes he had.

  • Ralph Hardin

    It wouldn’t surprise me if ‘Taker/Cena is probably already penciled in for ‘Mania next year if ‘Taker wants to go for 21-0, espacially if Cena does “embrace the hate” and goes full heel for an extended run.

  • Ralph Hardin

    Funny that I never thought about HBK-Rocky…wow!

    On your other points, I believe you are exactly correct. The last time I can remember them trying to elevate a handful of guys around the same time was when Batista, Shelton, Carlito and Chris Masters got bumped up (I think maybe Nathan Jones, Albert and Heidenreich were around that time frame, too). Now, granted none of those guys made a lasting impact, but it freshened things up and they got a chance.

    I could write a column on how “Michael McGillicutty” is both a stupid waste of opportunity to showcase a legacy wrestler and a complete disrespect to Joe’s father and grandfather.

  • CB40

    Sideshowbob — perhaps that can be your next writeup? Let me know and email me anytime and I’ll post for you.

  • Sideshowbob

    Ok CB. I’ll send something over when I can

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