WWE Extreme Rules 2012 PPV Live Streaming Coverage (Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Daniel Bryan)
by Jake Ziegler on April 29, 2012

To go along with our typical live coverage of all TNA and WWE PPVs, Inside Pulse is now covering the shows live on Twitter as well including tonight’s WWE Extreme Rules PPV.

Pulse News and Feature writer Matt Harrak will be providing his Quick Quips live through the Pulse Wrestling Twitter account, @pulsewrestling.

So be sure to check out both InsidePulse.com AND Twitter.com/PulseWrestling tonight for all your PPV coverage.

Let’s take a look at the card –

1. John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (Extreme Rules Match)
2. World Heavyweight Champion Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan (2-out-of-3 Falls Match)
3. WWE Champion CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho (Chicago Street Fight)
4. Randy Orton vs. Kane (Falls Count Anywhere Match)
5. Intercontinental Champion Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes
6. United States Champion Santino Marella vs. The Miz
7. Divas Champion Nikki Bella vs. Beth Phoenix

The opening video package is all about Brock Lesnar and John Cena, as it should be. Michael Cole, Booker T, and Jerry Lawler are on commentary.

On the YouTube preshow, Santino Marella beat The Miz to retain the United States Title, and they spun the wheel and made the deal for Cody Rhodes versus Big Show and it’s going to be a Tables Match.

MATCH #1: Falls Count Anywhere Match – Randy Orton vs. Kane

They quickly take the brawl to the floor and Kane is in control. Orton fights back with the lead pipe, but Kane cuts him off with a shot to the throat. They fight into the crowd and continue trading shots. I lose track of the match as we order a pizza from Domino’s. Seriously, if you haven’t ordered online from them and done the Pizza Tracker thing, it is TREMENDOUS. It’s way more fun to order pizza than it should be. I come back with Kane going for a Tombstone on a steel chair, but Orton slips out and hits the RKO for the win.

WINNER – Randy Orton (**ish)

Backstage – Eve, John Laurinaitis and Teddy Long are hanging out. Teddy pours champagne for his superiors. Even Johnny’s ringtone is tremendous. Triple H calls the GM of both shows and Johnny leaves to talk to him in a more private place.

MATCH #2: Brodus Clay with Hornswoggle, Naomi & Cameron vs. Dolph Ziggler with Vickie Guerrero & Jack Swagger

I’m surprised they’re not doing a tag team match. The crowd is really into Ziggler, and he throws Clay to the floor right quick. Swagger gets a cheap shot in. Back in the ring Brodus uses his power to fight back and the crowd does not like it. Ziggler goes back to work and Clay uses his power to try and fight him off. Clay unleashes a flurry of offense, even knocking Swagger off the apron. Ziggler charges into Clay and gets knocked out with a headbutt. Clay follows with the Big Splash for the pin.

WINNER – Brodus Clay (*¾)

MATCH #3: Tables Match for the Intercontinental Championship – Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes

Show has been the Champion since 4.1.12, and this is his first defense. The Champ dominates from the get-go, as you might expect. Show brings the first table into the ring and Rhodes avoids going through it and hits the Beautiful Disaster kick. That’s a cool spot. Show resumes control and brings another table into the ring. He gets on the apron and Rhodes dropkicks him, and Show steps backwards on a table, breaking it! That means Rhodes is the new Intercontinental Champion! I’m sure people will bitch about that finish but I thought it was clever.

WINNER – Cody Rhodes, New Intercontinental Champion (**)

Show is angry and he sets up another table and Chokeslams Rhodes through it as the crowd thunderously boos. The crowd then chants “one more time” so Show press slams Rhodes from the ring through a table on the floor. This crowd is highly schizophrenic.

Edge has a new DVD out, if you didn’t know.

Backstage – Matt Striker gets a word with Daniel Bryan. He says he is better than Sheamus in every way, and he promises to become a two-time World Heavyweight Champion tonight. AJ is shown lurking in the background.

MATCH #4: Two-out-of-Three Falls Match for the World Heavyweight Title – Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan

Sheamus has been the Champion since 4.1.12, and this is his first defense. The crowd reactions here are so weird. Sheamus scores the first knockdown. They pass the 18-second mark and Bryan avoids a Brogue Kick. Sheamus goes to work on the arm. The crowd chants Yes. Sheamus hits a Finlay Roll for two. He then locks on a Texas Cloverleaf. Bryan reaches the bottom rope and then grabs a quick inside cradle for two. Sheamus goes back to work with strikes. Bryan fights back with the running clothesline, sending Sheamus to the floor. He tries a dive off the apron but Sheamus catches him and rams him into the barricade. Back in the ring Bryan takes control and goes to work on the arm. Sheamus comes back with a fallaway slam for two. Bryan gets a schoolboy rollup for two. Sheamus goes up top for a shoulderblock and gets two. They spill to the floor and Bryan goes for a dive but Sheamus cuts him off. Back in the ring Sheamus goes for the Pale Justice but Bryan avoids it and gets a sunset flip for two. Bryan goes for the Yes Lock but can’t cinch it in. Sheamus charges and misses, ramming his own shoulder into the post. Bryan joins Sheamus on the floor and continues to abuse his shoulder. Back in the ring Bryan unleashes a flurry of kicks to the shoulder and the referee disqualifies Bryan for not breaking on five!

Right at the onset of the second fall Bryan locks on the Yes Lock and Sheamus passes out to give Bryan the second fall! The ringside doctor checks on Sheamus as Bryan leads the crowd in a chant of YES. Some are chanting NO. Either way the crowd is into this match. Sheamus decides he wants to continue, and Bryan runs straight into a Brogue Kick! Bryan is able to kick out. Back on their feet Bryan goes back to work on the shoulder, and lands a knockout kick to the head. Sheamus kicks out at two. Bryan goes up top and Sheamus clubs away at him. Sheamus goes for a superplex but Bryan headbutts him down. Bryan tries the diving headbutt but he misses. Back on their feet Bryan misses a charge in the corner and Sheamus lands a couple of Axe Bombers. Sheamus hits the Irish Curse and then a solid Brogue Kick and that’s enough for Sheamus to get the win and retain the title. No AJ?

WINNER – Sheamus (****¼)

I just got a text message saying that “Beth Phoenix is not medically cleared to compete. A mystery opponent will challenge Nikki Bella 2nite @ Extreme Rules.”

Next month is Over the Limit.

MATCH #5: Aaron Relic & Jay Hatton vs. Ryback

Santino Marella and The Great Khali are watching backstage. The crowd chants “Goldberg.” Ryback dominates both guys and pins them both after a backpack stunner to one of them and the Muscle Buster to the other.

WINNER – Ryback (*)

Backstage – CM Punk promises to defeat Chris Jericho in front of his family and friends tonight and retain the WWE Championship.

MATCH #6: WWE Championship Chicago Street Fight – CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho

Jericho is wearing jeans with his kneepads on the outside. Punk is also wearing jeans and has a bandana wrapped around his leg. Nice job guys. Obviously Punk is massively over. The fight starts right away and the go to the floor. Punk is all over Jericho and throws a chair into the ring. He also brings a kendo stick and uses it well. Jericho comes back with an eye poke. He follows with the springboard dropkick, sending Punk to the floor. They fight over by the announce table and Jericho is in control. Back in the ring Punk misses a charge and hits his knee on the turnbuckle. They take the fight over by Punk’s sister, and Jericho slams Punk’s head off the barricade. Punk’s sister slaps Jericho’s face and Jericho goes after her, which just fires up Punk. The crowd is losing it too. Punk rips apart the announce tables and slams Jericho. The challenger weathers the storm and slams one of the monitors on Punk’s back. In the ring Jericho uses a chinlock (really?) as the crowd tries to get Punk back into the match. Punk does just that and tries the springboard clothesline but he slips on the top rope and Jericho cracks him with the kendo stick. Jericho goes under the ring and finds a can of beer and pours it on the Straightedge Superstar. Punk gets angry and fires back with the kendo stick. He hits the running knee in the corner and then the bulldog. Punk hits a low blow with the stick. He goes up top but Jericho knocks him down. Punk knocks Jericho off the top and hits the Randy Savage elbow for a two-count. He tries Go 2 Sleep but Jericho counters it and throws Punk into a chair wedged in the corner for a two-count. Jericho hits the Codebreaker and then locks on the Walls of Jericho. Punk crawls over to the corner and is able to find a fire extinguisher from under the ring. He sprays Jericho with it and uses it as a weapon. Out on the floor he gets Jericho splayed on the announce table and follows him out with a Savage Elbow to break the table. Back in the ring Punk puts on the Anaconda Vise. Jericho grabs the kendo stick and cracks Punk with it. Punk picks up the steel chair but Jericho cuts him off with a Codebreaker! That was awesome but it still only gets a two-count. Jericho goes for the Go 2 Sleep but Punk is able to counter him and hit the move himself to finally get the pin and retain the title.

WINNER – CM Punk (***¾)

Don’t try this at home.

Earlier tonight on the preshow, Santino Marella beat The Miz clean with the Cobra to retain the United States Championship. The crowd loves Santino.

Backstage – Eve runs into the Bella Twins, who are mocking Beth Phoenix. She notes that Beth is not medically cleared to compete. Beth disagrees, but says she will win the title back as soon as she is able. The Bellas are about to leave, but Eve tells them not so fast. Eve says that Nikki’s opponent is going to be a surprise, but it’s not Kharma.

MATCH #7: Divas Championship Match – Nikki Bella vs. a surprise diva

Nikki has been the Champion since 4.23.12, and this is her first defense. The twins cut a promo challenging their surprise opponent to come out, and it’s Layla! Why can’t it be Kharma? Layla gets an early advantage so Brie interferes to give her sister control. Layla comes back with a springboard cross body block, and then dropkicks Brie off the apron. The sloppy wrestling continues, and Layla kicks Nikki to the floor, which gives the opportunity for some twin magic. Layla hits Brie with a hangman’s neckbreaker and Layla gets the pin to win the title.

WINNER – Layla, NEW Divas Champion (*)

Backstage – Matt Striker asks Johnny Ace what he and Triple H were talking about earlier. Naturally Ace doesn’t say much, but HHH will be on Raw tomorrow.

MATCH #8: Extreme Rules Match – John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar

Brock takes Cena down and immediately busts him open with a sick elbow to the head. That’s awesome. Medical personnel get in the ring to try and stop the bleeding, which is not awesome. Cena tries to attack again but Lesnar continues slugging away at him. This is certainly different. Cena keeps bleeding so the medical people again come in to try and stop it. This is EXTREME RULES for crying out loud. Cena tries the Attitude Adjustment but Lesnar counters with German Suplexes. The referee gets bumped and Lesnar continues to manhandle Cena. Lesnar puts on an armbar and Cena screams in pain. He grabs Cena’s chain but then does nothing with it. Moments later he uses it to trap Cena upside down in the corner. This is complete domination. Lesnar throws the referee back in the ring, but when he hits the F-5 the ref gets bumped again. A new ref comes in to make the count and Cena kicks out at two, so Lesnar dispatches of that referee too. Lesnar goes out and brings the steel steps into the ring. Cena tries fighting back but Lesnar traps him in a Kimura Lock. Amazingly, Cena powers out of that and slams Lesnar back onto the steps. Cena goes to the top rope and goes for the Cena Slice but misses. Lesnar jumps off the steps to knock Cena off the apron and almost kills himself doing it. They repeat the spot and Cena jacks Lesnar with the chain! The crowd is going ballistic. Lesnar is bleeding now too. Cena hits the Attitude Adjustment on the steps and actually gets the win. What?

WINNER – John Cena (****)

Cena gets on the microphone and says that this is CM Punk’s town, but more than that it’s a wrestling town. He says he’s going away for a while.




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  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    Okay, so this time, rather than tell you what I think, I’m going to get you guys to tell me what you thought of that Bryan / Shaemus match first, if that’s cool.

  • Cynical Bastard

    I thought it was a solid match. I don’t know about 4 and a quarter, and I’d have preferred a Bryan win and no DQ falls, but the way they did it told a good, logical story in the ring. I’m glad AJ wasn’t involved.

    And to go with your usual statements about matches involving Sheamus, yes, Bryan definitely got more crowd reaction overall. However, unless I misheard, there was a division in the chants. I thought I heard a dueling “Daniel Bryan / Let’s go Sheamus” chant. Feel free to tell me I was wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    I actually thought it was a half-decent match… the ONLY half-decent match I’ve EVER seen Shaemus have. We all know who made that happen and performed 75% of the moves, but beggers can’t be choosers.

    And you’re not wrong. There were duelling chants. A LOT more support for Shaemus than I would have guessed. I expected him to get some, I never said he had ZERO support, but not that much. Still, his reaction was still nowhere near Bryan’s, and that’s embarrassing when the babyface who won the Royal Rumble and the belt at WrestleMania can’t get crowd support over a guy who can’t win matches on his own and verbally abuses his girlfriend.

    So, Gojira – you’re one of the only ones still standing up for your cause here. I respect that. Can we call this little experiment over, or do I have to wait until, like , SummerSlam now?

    And Alsop… still think that Shaemus / Barrett match is gonna be the top match of Mania some day?

  • Mike Gojira

    There was an interesting dueling chant of “Daniel Bryan”/”18 seconds” during the match, and I was expecting a much larger ovation for DB, given that Chicago often goes against the WWE’s grain. I also thought there would be a lot more negativity surrounding Sheamus’s second fall, so that was another surprise.

    You’re free to make any decision you want about Sheamus, Blair. Those were the terms of our agreement.

  • Mike Gojira

    There was an interesting dueling chant of “Daniel Bryan”/”18 seconds” during the match, and I was expecting a much larger ovation for DB, given that Chicago often goes against the WWE’s grain. I also thought there would be a lot more negativity surrounding Sheamus’s second fall, so that was another surprise.

    You’re free to make any decision you want about Sheamus, Blair. Those were the terms of our agreement.

  • Cynical Bastard

    Oh, they were chanting “18 Seconds”? Easy enough to confuse with “Let’s go Sheamus” I suppose.

    And Blair, I’d still argue that a lot of the problem with Sheamus’ lack of support is because sure, he won the Rumble and his ‘Mania match, but he didn’t do anything of note in between. Bryan, on the other hand, had a lot more exposure and storyline to get the fans invested. Just my two cents.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    Wait, so Chicago AND Miami were fluke accidents? Seriously? The reaction for DB was what I expected, but I would agree that I expected less reaction for Shaemus as well. Definitely agree there.

    I’m asking you if you still think Shaemus is still gonna be some babyface legend. That’s all.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    I’d still say that Shaemus wasn’t getting very good reactions BEFORE any of that happened. I actually don’t think he EVER was. But we’ve been there before, and I won’t beat a dead horse. Appreciate the opinions, I was wondering what you guys would think.

  • Wally Kovacs

    If they go with Sheamus vs Del Rio at the next PPV it will be interesting to see the long term effect. Bryan is very over, so his opponents are going to get less than a full reaction. Early in Cena’s run, he had some boos when up against Jericho and Angle. It could be that against someone like Henry or Del Rio, Sheamus would get the benefit of the doubt.

    Not saying Sheamus won’t end up as another Kozlov, Barrett or McIntyre, but it would be hard for anyone to get a great face reaction against Bryan right now. (well, except probably Punk… Or someone like Santino that they are happy to see in a main event situation)

    Speaking of which, if both Sheamus/Bryan and Punk/Jericho are done, can we fast track setting up Bryan vs Punk now that it can have a clean finish.

  • Mike Gojira

    At this point in time? No, Sheamus is not as over as the WWE may have wanted. It doesn’t mean he’s not generally well-liked by the audience, but he’ definitely not getting an “Orton” or “Cena” response.

    With that said, I also believe you can’t honestly condemn his main event career. With some more seasoning and the right opponents, Sheamus could still be a top dog. I’d think it’s safe to say that many guys on the roster have that kind of potential depending on the conditions.

    So in summation: I don’t think Sheamus has met the WWE’s crowd expectations, but you can’t honestly rule out that the potential is still there.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    Non-Bryan/Shaemus-related-Extreme-Rules-Thoughts

    - In appearing on the pre-show and losing to Santino, I believe The Miz has found his ideal place on the card.
    - A match that was Falls Count Anywhere contested mostly at ringside, finishing in the ring.
    - Who did Fake Billy Gun donkey-punch to get this kind of schtick? Also, that midget has been around longer and done more things than most of the actual wrestlers. He has more job security than most of the roster.
    - In yet another example of how I can more than acknowledge where I’m in the minority, the crowd was really into Cody Rhodes. I think he’s fucking awful. Drew McIntyre awful. I don’t really get it. But good for him, whatever it is he’s doing is working.
    - How disappointed do you think WWE is in the Edge DVD sales?
    - So yeah, Skip Sheffield, or White-Ezekiel-Jackson if you prefer, is fucking terrible. Sorry. It’s true. He walks like he has the inanimate carbon rod from The Simpsons jammed up his ass.
    - #GOLDBERG trended worldwide. Can’t really blame WWE for not mentioning that one.
    - I love Punk intros in Chicago. I’m not sure why he would have stolen jeans off a 40-year old truck-driving lesbian, but still.
    - Street fight was great, of course it helped that it was in Chicago. Easily better than anything at WrestleMania. It was good because it was different, and the only thing so far in the spirit of the “extreme” PPV. Different is VERY good in WWE, where most everything is formulaic. (See: typical WWE boring big-man Skip Sheffield.)
    - “See, that was “emotional” to a point. But not ridiculous and embarrassing like all the “emotion” in that Taker-HHH match that people said made it great.” (DaveDubya) (Blair could not agree more.)
    - Who the fuck is Layla?
    - That was SO CLOSE to the Brock debut that Swayze scripted in his RAW, it’s not even funny.
    - The main event – wow. They should have given Cena a chainsaw at least. Again, it was different. Different is good. The thing about Brock being in fake wrestling is that he was doing real fighting, apparently WWE didn’t forget to take that into account in having Brock fucking kill Cena for most of the match. Good for them.
    - Cena may have won, which I don’t totally get, but it was pretty obvious that he got damn lucky, so it’s not like it’s the worst thing in the world.
    - Way better than Mania. WAY.

  • Cynical Bastard

    For a minute there, I thought Brock went off the reservation and was just beating the shit out of Cena legit. I had an actual “Suspension of Disbelief”, if Mundo doesn’t mind me borrowing that.
    Then Cena started trying his shoulder blocks and I knew all was well. Still, surprising to see Cena pull the win out. Not exactly how I’d book the first match of a highly paid, limited appearance performer.

    From the post match stuff, it would appear that Cena is either legitimately injured or is taking a vacation. Either way, it’ll be interesting to see where they go with Brock if Cena is getting time off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Fitta/100002150061980 Kyle Fitta

    Brock Lesnar-John Cena truly put on something innovative. The entire format of the match was great, plus John Cena did his best Ricky Morton impersonation ever. That was some great selling as I bought 100-percent that Cena was in peril. The thing that made that match was that you believed it could end any time unlike most matches that build to a finishing sequence. It may be not the best idea for Cena to win the match, but it still makes sense since he’s leaving. Lesnar’s going to say Cena got lucky, then dominate the entire WWE and win the title, setting up a Cena-Lesnar rematch down the road. At least that’s how I see this playing out.

    By the way, fuck Chicago. Why do they always get the best PPVS of the year?

  • The Frito Bandito

    Cena beating Lesnar clean and Daniel Bryan losing to yet another brogue kick automatically disqualifies this from being the best PPV of the year.

  • The Frito Bandito

    Oh and also the audio was way, way molested by the production truck during the Sheamus/Bryan match. No way Chicago was chanting 18 seconds, it was canned to match the darling red shirt the Ginger Abortion wore.

  • Viperrvsingh94

    welcome back CENA ^_*

  • Blair A. Douglas

    Now, I think Shaemus is a joke and I don’t agree. But I wouldn’t put chant or cheer-panning past WWE, not at all.

    Ginger Abortion… Holy shit, I LOVE that. Best nickname so far.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Fitta/100002150061980 Kyle Fitta

    So because the people you like didn’t win voids the quality of the PPV? That’s the dumbest thing I read in a long time. Plus, how else would Cena beat Lesnar in an Extreme Rules match? Are there non-clean finishes since anything goes? I mean he used a punch with a chain to win the match.

  • Alin10

    cena glingan m idol

  • James A

    I’ve been thinking about this, Blair-o. Allow me to set the record straight once and for all regarding my feelings on Sheamus.

    Sheamus / Bryan was a great match, not just a half-decent one. The crowd were split (not evenly, no, but there were good reactions for both men) and the in-ring work was sublime. Most of the credit goes to Bryan, of course, but I think that Sheamus pulled his weight. The final sequence of the match was as smooth as silk and utterly exhilarating. The stipulation helped, certainly, but it was a breath of fresh air to see them both given enough time to show what they can both do.

    You say that this is the best Sheamus match that you’ve seen, and I – a firm supporter of the IWW graduate – couldn’t agree more. Nothing he’s done in the past has excited me as much as that match with Bryan, and I don’t deny that, in large part, it’s entirely due to the fact that Daniel Bryan is amazing, not Sheamus.

    Say what you like, Blair, but Sheamus is a good ‘big man’. I’ve never said that he was amazing or five-star or anything like that, and I freely admit that he cuts a terrible promo, one of the worst. But between the ropes he’s never been anything less than average, adequate, solid, middle-of-the-range, even good. Good – but not great.

    Even though he himself isn’t ‘great’, though, Extreme Rules, demonstrated that Sheamus can be made to look great – and convincingly so. By the right performer, he can be carried to a great match – a great match in terms of crowd response, and in terms of athleticism and storytelling.

    It’s not just anyone who can be be carried to four and five-star matches, either. Not even Daniel Bryan could have carried a guy with no aptitude whatsoever. HBK, Undertaker and HHH three weeks in a row couldn’t make Vladmir Kozlov look good a few years ago, for example. Nor could they get anything of worth out of Ken Anderson or Khali. Sheamus, on the other hand, has had strong bouts with Goldust and HHH, one or two against Henry which a lot of people enjoyed, and now a corker against Bryan.

    It’d be ideal if he Sheamus was the next Ric Flair, but he isn’t. No one is saying that he is. Being carry-able doesn’t make Sheamus a legend-in-the-making, or even a guaranteed top star. You can’t deny, however, that there’s still a great deal of value in a big man who, despite being merely good, can be made to look great. It worked out for Undertaker in his early career. It worked for Goldberg and Mike Awesome. It certainly worked out for Batista and Cena. Heck – look at how long it took for Batista to finally find his feet. He didn’t look truly confident in the ring for YEARS – but in that time he had excellent matches with Edge, HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero…

    Guys who can CARRY – Edge, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, HHH, Ziggler – are, I admit, more valuable to WWE and wrestling in general than guys who can only be carried. But – and here’s the important thing – guys who can BE CARRIED don’t come along every day, and they’ve proven to be incredibly important to wrestling companies in the past. Sheamus as the next Undertaker? Probably not. Sheamus as the next Batista, on the other hand…? Yeah, I can see that. I can definitely see that.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    Took me a while to get to this. I appreciate the response, James. I was curious if how far he’s fallen had changed your viewpoint at all.

    Frankly, I’m starting to feel sorry for the guy. It’s not his fault he sucks. They’re the ones who put him in the position. They need to turn him evil or something – easier to do that when the guy sucks to begin with. Plus, then the fact that he’s getting boos won’t be embarrassing.

  • James A

    How far he’s fallen? The guy *is* still World Heavyweight Champion, right? Or am I missing something?

  • Blair A. Douglas

    Yeah, he sure is. And he won the Royal Rumble as a babyface. And he won the World Title as a babyface. Yet still, he can’t get cheered over a guy like Bryan, who has been being a huge dick. I wonder if there has EVER been a more disapointing babyface Royal Rumble or WrestleMania World Champion. I also wonder if they’ve ever invested as much into anyone as they have into Shaemus and got so little in return. THAT’S why I feel sorry for the guy. As I said, it’s not like it’s his fault.

    Also – Jack Swagger, Mark Henry and Great Khali were World Heavyweight Champions too. Vlad Kozlov and Santino were THIS close.

  • James A

    Ha! Touche. I forget that Khali had a reign. (It was just the one, wasn’t it? I hope?) Disagree with you about Santino: I don’t think that he was ever seriously considered as WHC material.

    And it’s beside the point, but I’m also tempted to argue that it’s precisely BECAUSE Bryan is acting like a huge dick that he’s over right now. Not in spite of the fact.

    But back to what we’re discussing, what you’re saying is precisely why I compare Sheamus to Batista. It took well over a year for Batista, working under Triple H and Ric Flair night after night, to start getting any kind of reaction. And he started off far worse in the ring than Sheamus is now.

    The only really worthwhile guys that Sheamus has been associated with in his career thus far are Cena (briefly), Triple H (briefly) and Daniel Bryan. That’s not enough to get him over. A lack of decent opponents has meant that two of his three title reigns have been completely forgettable.

    In short, he needs quality opponents. Badly. If he gets them, he’ll make the most of them, and grow in the eyes of the fans.

    I freely admit that Sheamus won’t get over unless he’s carried to the top by WWE’s elite. But – like Batista – once he’s AT the top (if he gets there), I think he’ll stay there.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    Reply at the top. I *HATE* the way the comment system thins out replies.

  • http://twitter.com/BlairADouglas Blair A. Douglas

    James:
    Batista was INSANELY over when he finally won the Royal Rumble and the World Title at WrestleMania. The time under Flair and Triple H – MOST of that happened before the crowd started to notice him, and at the very least, before the crowd tapped out on Orton as their main babyface. When it happened, Batista’s foil was Triple H, who was ALSO acting like a huge dick at the time. Yet I didn’t see Triple H get any support on Shaemus. Not a big Batista fan myself, but them’s are the facts.

    What you’re saying sounds like a fancy way of saying “okay, so even though he may suck, the company won’t give up on him and will shove him down our throats anyway, and eventually we will become complacent enough to accept him.”

    Yeah, I believe Khali only had it the one time. And yeah, I don’t think that Santino was seriously considered – could have been that Kozlov wasn’t either. Who knows – but do you think Swagger is that much less talented than Shaemus? Or Kozlov? I kinda see all 3 of those guys as the same. Except Shaemus looks more like a clown.

  • CB40

    Batista >>>>>>>> Sheamus

  • James A

    Hey, I’m not denying it. I loved Batista by the end of his run.

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